XPost: rec.food.baking, alt.politics.usa.constitution, alt.politics.republicans   
   XPost: alt.politics.homosexuality, misc.legal   
   From: none@none.com   
      
   On 9/19/2018 11:42 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   > On 9/19/2018 10:50 AM, Peter Franks wrote:   
   >   
   > {snip}   
   >   
   >> If there no authority to compel the individual on behalf of the   
   >> individual, then there is no authority to compel the individual on   
   >> behalf of the nation.   
   >   
   > I disagree.  Again, consider the military draft.  I suspect you agree   
   > there is no authority to compel someone to join the military on behalf   
   > of the individual, but there is authority to compel someone to join the   
   > military on behalf of the nation.   
      
   You didn't answer the questions, therefore I've taken that as your   
   implicit admission that there is no such authority to compel the   
   individual on behalf of the individual or on behalf of the nation.   
      
   Returning to the head point:   
      
   Franks: And he is free to conduct his business as he sees fit.   
      
   Rosenbluth: No, he isn't free to conduct his business as he sees fit.   
      
   Now that it is implicitly established that an individuals can't be   
   compelled, the baker is free to conduct his business as he sees fit,   
   insomuch as he does not violate the rights of others.   
      
   Therefore, he can't be compelled to enter into a contract (e.g. sell) a   
   cake to someone against his will.   
      
   Therefore, the only recourse that the "Liberals and gay activists" have   
   in this case is to take their business elsewhere.  If they (the   
   "Liberals and gay activists") demand tolerance of their viewpoints and   
   behaviors, then they are under the same obligation to be tolerant of   
   others viewpoints and behavior, which means that they can not call for   
   boycotting of the baker or other tactics designed to interfere with the   
   baker's business.   
      
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