XPost: rec.food.baking, alt.politics.usa.constitution, alt.politics.republicans   
   XPost: alt.politics.homosexuality, misc.legal   
   From: none@none.com   
      
   On 10/17/2018 10:28 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   > On 10/17/2018 9:49 AM, Peter Franks wrote:   
   >> On 9/28/2018 10:07 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>> On 9/28/2018 9:26 PM, Peter Franks wrote:   
   >>>> On 9/28/2018 8:52 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Can an individual compel another to join the military?  Can the   
   >>>>>>> government compel a person to join the military?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> No.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> No.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> So, no military draft is permitted?  Amazing!   
   >>>>   
   >>>> We've already covered this -- citizens are obligated to support and   
   >>>> defend the nation.   
   >>>   
   >>> Which means you do believe the government can compel a person to join   
   >>> the military!   
   >>   
   >> No.  Joining the military and defending the nation are two different   
   >> things.   
   >>   
   >> Citizens are obligated to defend the nation.   
   >>   
   >> Citizens can't be compelled to join the military.   
   >   
   > So, no military draft is permitted?   
      
   In critical times of defense, citizens are obligated to provide for the   
   common defense of the nation.   
      
   Those citizens that do not fulfill their obligation are subject to   
   punishment and/or ejection from the society.   
      
   I do not see the authority that would enable someone (government) to   
   compel (force) someone into military service.   
      
   >>> And yet above, you said the government can't compel a person to join   
   >>> the military.  Please make up your mind.   
   >>>   
   >>>> And back to the original point that I made, and you had absolutely   
   >>>> no counterargument of any substance:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The baker can't be compelled.   
   >>>   
   >>> We can get to the baker's case after we resolve the military draft case.   
   >>   
   >> Resolved.   
   >   
   > Not yet.   
      
   Resolved, yet again.   
      
   Not that the resolution of one is dependent on the other.   
      
   Defense of the nation is an obligation of every citizen.  The same can   
   not be said of baking a cake.   
      
   You have not provide ONE SHRED of reasoning to justify your stand that   
   the baker can be compelled to bake a cake.  NOT ONE SHRED.  Yet I've   
   provided countless examples, answers to questions, etc. Seems like this   
   conversation is a little one-sided in terms of justification, wouldn't   
   you say?   
      
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