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   From: noway@nowhere.com   
      
   On 10/31/2018 11:13 AM, Peter Franks wrote:   
   > On 10/29/2018 2:06 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >> On 10/29/2018 1:25 PM, Peter Franks wrote:   
   >>> On 10/18/2018 10:22 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>>> On 10/18/2018 9:39 AM, Peter Franks wrote:   
   >>>>> On 10/17/2018 2:29 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> {snip}   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>> What right is violated by not baking a cake?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I answered the question (negatively impacts the pursuit of   
   >>>>>> happiness, and as a result harms the nation).   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Are you suggesting that I can demand anyone and everyone provide   
   >>>>> whatever I desire in my pursuit of happiness?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No.  I am saying the government can punish a baker for not serving   
   >>>> someone because it is securing a right.   
   >>>   
   >>> I'm going to take a different tack.   
   >>>   
   >>> The right is to pursue happiness.   
   >>>   
   >>> Not be provided happiness.   
   >>>   
   >>> Therefore your assertion that it is securing a right is proved false.   
   >>   
   >> Being serviced by a baker isn't a guarantee of happiness.  It's the   
   >> pursuit of happiness.   
   >   
   > Blah, blah, blah.   
   >   
   > You assert that being required to serve is a right of those being   
   > served, which NECESSARILY REQUIRES that those that are served have   
   > authority over those that serve.   
      
   I do not believe it requires those that are served have authority over   
   those that serve.  Again, this is case of competing rights.  The   
   customer has the right to pursue happiness, and the baker has the   
   liberty right to serve who he wants to.  Neither party has authority   
   over the other.  And yet, the government can choose to secure either   
   right it believes takes precedence.   
      
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