XPost: rec.food.baking, alt.politics.usa.constitution, alt.politics.republicans   
   XPost: alt.politics.homosexuality, misc.legal   
   From: none@none.com   
      
   On 10/31/2018 11:31 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   > On 10/31/2018 11:13 AM, Peter Franks wrote:   
   >> On 10/29/2018 2:06 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>> On 10/29/2018 1:25 PM, Peter Franks wrote:   
   >>>> On 10/18/2018 10:22 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>>>> On 10/18/2018 9:39 AM, Peter Franks wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 10/17/2018 2:29 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> {snip}   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> What right is violated by not baking a cake?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I answered the question (negatively impacts the pursuit of   
   >>>>>>> happiness, and as a result harms the nation).   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Are you suggesting that I can demand anyone and everyone provide   
   >>>>>> whatever I desire in my pursuit of happiness?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> No.  I am saying the government can punish a baker for not serving   
   >>>>> someone because it is securing a right.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I'm going to take a different tack.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The right is to pursue happiness.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Not be provided happiness.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Therefore your assertion that it is securing a right is proved false.   
   >>>   
   >>> Being serviced by a baker isn't a guarantee of happiness.  It's the   
   >>> pursuit of happiness.   
   >>   
   >> Blah, blah, blah.   
   >>   
   >> You assert that being required to serve is a right of those being   
   >> served, which NECESSARILY REQUIRES that those that are served have   
   >> authority over those that serve.   
   >   
   > I do not believe it requires those that are served have authority over   
   > those that serve.  Again, this is case of competing rights.  The   
   > customer has the right to pursue happiness, and the baker has the   
   > liberty right to serve who he wants to.  Neither party has authority   
   > over the other.  And yet, the government can choose to secure either   
   > right it believes takes precedence.   
      
   Does forcing/requiring/mandating someone to do something against their   
   will require authority over that person?   
      
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