~>>  Since I would have no reason to check the list before *RENEWING*
~>>  my echos

 EC> Notice that he now falls back to weasel-wording.  He

 Notice how Earl falls back to distortion and deception. Straight
 out, I do not check my echos to see how they are listed before
 renewing the listing.

 EC> already said that he CHECKS the list before sending in a
 EC> listing.

 Yes. I have done that in every case where I listed a new echo. I
 do *NOT* do that if I have good reason to believe I already have
 the echo listed. Is Earl actually fool enough to try to claim I
 meant I recheck the echolist every single time I relist an echo?

 EC> That led him into a deadend. CHECKS the list
 EC> before sending in a listing.  That led him into a deadend.


 No, it did not. It just gave Earl another excuse to twist and
 deceive.

  Ok, readers... either Earl knows a lot less than he wants you to
 think he does, or he is counting on your ignorance to get away
 with that.

 When you renew an echo you do not send in a listing, you send in
 an update. Officially, an moderator update. Shortened to
 Mod Upd.

 Just so you know a bit about how it works.

 EC>  He is careful not to say that he DID NOT check the list,
 EC>  but to merely say that he HAD NO REASON to do so.

 Which is why I did not do it. Now, that's said straight out.

 Hey, all readers... I have been at this long enough to know, if
 you try to list an already listed echo without the correct
 password, it won't work.

 So, had I checked the echo list and found I did not have the
 echo listed I would have known submitting an update would not
 work.

 EC> A renewal is the easiest thing in the world.  You go to your
 EC> previously-sent e-mail to the echolist, and you send it
 EC> again.  He did not do that in November.  When he tried to
 EC> ban two people, he suddenly realized that he had never
 EC> listed ALL-POLITICS and he tried to grab it.

 Uh, that is a lie. He did not even offer that as speculation, he
 said it as if it were a fact. That makes it a lie.

 I have used two different email services, and two different BBSs
 and 4 different passwords for renewing All Politics in the two
 years I have had it listed. In several cases I typed it all in
 rather than reusing an old update, for the simple reason I did
 not have an old msg available on that service.

 BFD. As I said, I have been at this for quite a few years. I
 know you can't update an echo if you don't have the correct
 password. I have enough copies of those msgs for the Debate
 echo, when I used a password for another echo.

 Earl truly thinks you are all fools or as corrupt as he is if he
 thinks you are buying his deception. Or is he right?

 EC> His intent is all the more obvious when you look and see
 EC> that he had renewed "all politics" and "debate" just 27
 EC> days earlier.  Just those two! They were good for the next
 EC> six months.  But on November 12 he suddenly tried to list
 EC> ALL-POLITICS for the first time, with no accompanying
 EC> renewal of "debate."  I had listed it more than TEN MONTHS
 EC> earlier, and if he had checked ANY ONE of those lists he
 EC> would have KNOWN that fact.

 Well, you could say I gave him credit for enough integrity to
 not poach another person's echo. However, giving Earl credit for
 integrity would be way out of line.

 EC> Just a few days ago he said he
 EC> checks the list before trying to list an echo, and now he

 Yes, to list an echo originally, not to renew a listing.

 EC> has to backtrack so far as to pretend that he hadn't
 EC> checked the list for ten months!  He doesn't want to say
 EC> that, though, so he weasels with talk about whether or not
 EC> he had a "reason" to do it.

 Earl will take any sliver of an opening to deceive. Since anyone
 who reads the echolist home page knows you get a notice if
 someone tries to list your echo, either Earl knows a lot less
 than he likes to pretend, or Earl is just assuming you can be
 easily deceived.



BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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