Replying to a message of BOB KLAHN to ALL:

 BK> ~>>  Since I would have no reason to check the list before *RENEWING*
 BK> ~>>  my echos

 EC>> Notice that he now falls back to weasel-wording.  He

 BK>  Notice how Earl falls back to distortion and deception. Straight 
 BK> out, I do not check my echos to see how they are listed before 
 BK> renewing the listing.

 EC>> already said that he CHECKS the list before sending in a
 EC>> listing.

 BK>  Yes. I have done that in every case where I listed a new echo. I  do
 BK> *NOT* do that if I have good reason to believe I already have  the
 BK> echo listed. Is Earl actually fool enough to try to claim I  meant I
 BK> recheck the echolist every single time I relist an echo?

 EC>> That led him into a deadend. CHECKS the list
 EC>> before sending in a listing.  That led him into a deadend.


 BK>  No, it did not. It just gave Earl another excuse to twist and
 BK>  deceive.

 BK>   Ok, readers... either Earl knows a lot less than he wants you to 
 BK> think he does, or he is counting on your ignorance to get away  with
 BK> that.

 BK>  When you renew an echo you do not send in a listing, you send in  an
 BK> update. Officially, an moderator update. Shortened to  Mod Upd.

 BK>  Just so you know a bit about how it works.

 EC>>  He is careful not to say that he DID NOT check the list,
 EC>>  but to merely say that he HAD NO REASON to do so.

 BK>  Which is why I did not do it. Now, that's said straight out.

 BK>  Hey, all readers... I have been at this long enough to know, if
 BK>  you try to list an already listed echo without the correct
 BK>  password, it won't work.

 BK>  So, had I checked the echo list and found I did not have the
 BK>  echo listed I would have known submitting an update would not
 BK>  work.

 EC>> A renewal is the easiest thing in the world.  You go to your
 EC>> previously-sent e-mail to the echolist, and you send it
 EC>> again.  He did not do that in November.  When he tried to
 EC>> ban two people, he suddenly realized that he had never
 EC>> listed ALL-POLITICS and he tried to grab it.

 BK>  Uh, that is a lie. He did not even offer that as speculation, he 
 BK> said it as if it were a fact. That makes it a lie.

 BK>  I have used two different email services, and two different BBSs  and
 BK> 4 different passwords for renewing All Politics in the two  years I
 BK> have had it listed. In several cases I typed it all in  rather than
 BK> reusing an old update, for the simple reason I did  not have an old
 BK> msg available on that service.

 BK>  BFD. As I said, I have been at this for quite a few years. I
 BK>  know you can't update an echo if you don't have the correct
 BK>  password. I have enough copies of those msgs for the Debate
 BK>  echo, when I used a password for another echo.

 BK>  Earl truly thinks you are all fools or as corrupt as he is if he 
 BK> thinks you are buying his deception. Or is he right?

 EC>> His intent is all the more obvious when you look and see
 EC>> that he had renewed "all politics" and "debate" just 27
 EC>> days earlier.  Just those two! They were good for the next
 EC>> six months.  But on November 12 he suddenly tried to list
 EC>> ALL-POLITICS for the first time, with no accompanying
 EC>> renewal of "debate."  I had listed it more than TEN MONTHS
 EC>> earlier, and if he had checked ANY ONE of those lists he
 EC>> would have KNOWN that fact.

 BK>  Well, you could say I gave him credit for enough integrity to
 BK>  not poach another person's echo. However, giving Earl credit for 
 BK> integrity would be way out of line.

 EC>> Just a few days ago he said he
 EC>> checks the list before trying to list an echo, and now he

 BK>  Yes, to list an echo originally, not to renew a listing.

 EC>> has to backtrack so far as to pretend that he hadn't
 EC>> checked the list for ten months!  He doesn't want to say
 EC>> that, though, so he weasels with talk about whether or not
 EC>> he had a "reason" to do it.

 BK>  Earl will take any sliver of an opening to deceive. Since anyone  who
 BK> reads the echolist home page knows you get a notice if  someone tries
 BK> to list your echo, either Earl knows a lot less  than he likes to
 BK> pretend, or Earl is just assuming you can be  easily deceived.

 BK> BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

The ;receding was brought to you by Bob Klahn, the most dishonest poster in
Fidonet.
Draw your own concludions.

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