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|    Leroy N. Soetoro to All    |
|    Yes, Capitol Rioters Were Armed. Here Ar    |
|    23 Jan 22 00:26:42    |
      XPost: alt.politics.usa.congress, alt.fraud.alt.society.resistance,       sac.politics       XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.guns       From: democrat-criminals@mail.house.gov              In the wake of the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, a popular       narrative has emerged: that because rioters did not fire guns that day,       they were not really "armed."              But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that       they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper       spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect       also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic       and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.              Those weapons brought violence and chaos to the Capitol. Capitol Police       officer Brian Sicknick died one day after two rioters allegedly sprayed       him and other officers with what prosecutors describe as an "unknown       chemical substance." Four other people in the crowd died in the       insurrection, and more than 100 police officers suffered injuries,       including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks.              Some supporters of former President Donald Trump have argued that the       dangerousness of the Capitol rioters has been overblown. Sen. Ron Johnson,       R-Wis., has said, for example, "This didn't seem like an armed       insurrection to me."              Others have echoed that view, and conservative and pro-Trump media, like       Breitbart, The Epoch Times and the Washington Examiner, have seized on the       congressional testimony of FBI Assistant Director Jill Sanborn, who said       the bureau did not confiscate firearms from suspects that day. But FBI       spokesperson Carol Cratty told NPR that Sanborn was talking only       specifically about arrests by the FBI, and not other police agencies that       made arrests on the day of the riot — including arrests of people       allegedly carrying guns.              Police officers have a much different memory of that day. "I've talked to       officers who have done two tours in Iraq who said this was scarier to them       than their time in combat," Robert J. Contee III, the acting chief of       Washington, D.C.'s Metropolitan Police Department, said in January. At the       time of his comments, he had just spoken with an officer who was attacked       with a rioter's stun gun.              Federal court records, included in NPR's database of more than 300       criminal cases, allege that at least three dozen people who took part in       the riot used or possessed some kind of weapon that day.              This number is likely a low estimate of the total number of weapons that       rioters brought with them. As the Justice Department has noted in court       filings, "no crowd member submitted to security screenings or weapons       checks by Capitol Police or other authorized security officials." Most of       the people who stormed the Capitol were not arrested during the riot       itself. Many are still at large.              "This was a pretty heavily armed crew of people compared to what you       usually see at protests," said Heidi Beirich, a co-founder of the Global       Project Against Hate and Extremism. "Even when you see people who are       armed at protests in states, for example, where they have open-carry laws,       they aren't storming into a building using the weapons in the way that we       saw at the Capitol."              Lorenzo Boyd, a former director of the Center for Advanced Policing at the       University of New Haven, called attempts to downplay the deadliness of the       weapons used on Jan. 6 a "false narrative."              "There were a lot of weapons that could be lethal weapons as applied,"       said Boyd. In his view, the fact that the rioters were armed with a       variety of weapons clearly contributed to the Capitol Police's failure to       protect the building. "If you see a lot of resistance and you're being       outgunned, outmanned, outpowered, you tend to kind of fall back a little       bit," said Boyd.              Beirich said downplaying the violence also undermines efforts to combat       domestic extremism more generally.              "There is a reluctance on the part of some in conservative circles to       accept that domestic terrorism is largely coming from right-wing extremist       groups," said Beirich.              Here are some of the myths about the weapons used in the Capitol riot and       what thousands of pages of court documents can tell us about what actually       happened.              Myth 1       The weapons used in the Capitol riot did not actually pose a deadly threat       to lawmakers.              The Facts       Many of the weapons allegedly used in the riot are considered "less       lethal" but are dangerous and can even be fatal, according to experts.              The Cases       "In America, we have this thought that everything is focused on a gun, on       a firearm," Boyd said. "And we miss the fact that so many other people are       killed with so many other weapons."              At least one of the rioters was allegedly found with a stun gun. Richard       Barnett was photographed sitting in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office       with his feet up on a desk. Barnett, who self-identifies as a "white       nationalist," was seen in that photo with what federal law enforcement       later identified as a "ZAP Hike N Strike 950,000 Volt Stun Gun Walking       Stick." According to a product description, the weapon "delivers 950,000       volts of knock down power, causing loss of muscle control and       disorientation that bring attackers to their knees and makes them       incapable of further aggression." (A Reuters investigation found that, as       of 2017, more than 1,000 people died after police used a stun gun on       them.)              Other defendants allegedly brought a variety of blunt objects. Around 400       Americans are killed by blunt objects every year, according to FBI data.              A number of those charged were found to have possessed batons, although       it's unclear how many were brought to the riot and how many were seized by       rioters from law enforcement during the violent demonstrations.       Prosecutors allege Bruno Joseph Cua was captured in a video allegedly       wielding a baton, while Scott Kevin Fairlamb was seen on Capitol grounds       carrying a collapsible baton. Colorado resident Jeffrey Sabol allegedly       told federal investigators that he picked up a baton from a law       enforcement officer but did not recall whether he struck the officer with       it because "he was in a fit of rage and the details are cloudy."              Jonathan Mellis can be allegedly seen on footage from a Metropolitan       Police Department body camera "repeatedly striking and making stabbing       movements towards the officers" using a large stick. According to court       documents, Mellis appears to be "attempting to strike the officers' necks       between their helmets and body-armor where they are not protected."                     Federal prosecutors have called Michael Foy "one of the most violent of       the Capitol rioters" and have said that evidence shows him "brutally       assaulting law enforcement officers" with both a hockey stick and a       "sharpened pole" during the riot. Foy's attorney has argued that Foy was              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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