AK> 
 AK>>> when in 1993 Eltsin in Russia had given an order to such people to
 AK>>> shell the Russian Parlament from tanks, point blank. He defeated
 AK>>> the parliamentarians, but spilt blood and had known its taste.
 AK>>> Literally in a year he started the far more bloody war in
 AK>>> Chechnya, because he thought that solving problem by brutal force
 AK>>> is a good and effective way to gain his aims.

 BK>> And where is he now? You remember him, but who is he to the rest of
 BK>> the world?

 AK>    He died in peace, not on the yard-arm. And recently a
 AK>    statue of him was erected by the local authority in his
 AK>    native town. Any dictatorship has faithful followers.

 Ok, we know him as Yeltsin. Didn't know who you were talking
 about.

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 BK>> That is true, but the people must be the ones to resist the
 BK>> underground tyrants.

 AK>    Well, it depends on the damage and money losses. For
 AK>    instance, if you have cockroaches underfloor you
 AK>    probably should make it cleaner in your room, rather
 AK>    than installing surveillance cameras underfloor and
 AK>    killing cockroaches with a gun or robotic rats.

 Oh, I am speaking of the underground tyrants who are not
 committing violence. The violent ones need to be dealt with by
 the police.

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 AK>>> Millions of Arabs who lived in Palestine were even not consulted
 AK>>> when some people in Europe decided their future.

 BK>> Pretty much all of the Middle East was divided up that way. Ask
 BK>> yourself, why were a Sunni minority ruling in Iraq? Why were a Shia
 BK>> offshoot minority ruling Syria? Could it be the European rulers
 BK>> felt keeping the government seperate from the people would create
 BK>> client state who would become dependent on them?

 AK>    The UN, before all, had NOT to follow bad exapmles. When
 AK>    the UN was going to resettle all Jews in Palestine it
 AK>    had to understand that there were many millions of Arabs
 AK>    living there and removing them from their lands was an
 AK>    illegal act itself. A lot of work had to be done to work
 AK>    out a compromise for both sides. Hurry is crime in this
 AK>    situation.

 Yes, but even the UN was ruled by politics.

 AK>    It was impossible to suppose that millions of
 AK>    Palestinians would be happy with the decision and no
 AK>    tensions would arise. The process had to be under the UN
 AK>    control, from the beginning. The UN had to maintain the
 AK>    order and preserve as much justice as was possible. By

 And that would take an active force, which had to get past the
 Security Council, with the permanent members ready to veto
 anything againt their interests.

 AK>    letting things developed by themselves the UN itself
 AK>    created a war situation that has lasted already for 60
 AK>    years and there are still no signs of peace.

 True. Actually, 65. Israel was born the year I was.

 AK>    Well, for instance, Gypsy some thousand years ago lived
 AK>    in India and were expelled, like Jews. Let the UN decide
 AK>    them to settle in some area of India. Will be a new war
 AK>    there? Of course it will. Such decisions must me taken
 AK>    very carefully and with great responsibility. The UN
 AK>    still doesn't think that the current crazy situation in
 AK>    Palestine is actually the product of UN's hands.

 The UN doesn't think anything, it has a hundred some odd heads,
 each with it's own agenda.

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 AK>>> In the East there is no more shame than to betray their guest.
 AK>>> Only a poor politician could imagine that the Taliban would catch
 AK>>> Bin Laden so to give him out to the US, the main ally of Israel, a
 AK>>> far more big criminal (as all the countries in the Middle East
 AK>>> think).

 BK>> If you guest commits murder you are responsible to turn him over. I
 BK>> doubt even in Afghanistan can you harbor a murderer, esp if he
 BK>> commits murder while your guest.

 AK>    Customs are different around the world.

 That's more than custom, that's law. Like I said, I doubt even
 Afghan custom requires they protect a murderer.

 AK>>> Besides, it was an unrealistic task to catch a small group of
 AK>>> people in the immense mountains of Afghanistan. The Taliban could
 AK>>> not catch Bin Laden even if they wished to do it, as Karzay.

 BK>> The US forces could have caught Bin Laden if Bush hadn't pulled out
 BK>> so many of them. The Taliban could have caught him if they wanted
 BK>> to. Don't over estimate the difficulty, even there it's not
 BK>> difficult with the right people.

 AK>    In eyes of the Taliban Bin Laden was not a bigger
 AK>    criminal than Israel. According to this position, if the

 Which is irrelevant to 9-11. I doubt the Taliban cared much
 about Israel or the Palestinians. The Taliban, like the Wahabi,
 hate other Muslims more than they hate Christians or Jews.

 AK>    US allows Israel to commit crimes (it's a usual way of
 AK>    thinking in the M. East), why the Taliban should to ran
 AK>    for Bin-Laden? IMHO, quite a logical position.

 Not logical when it gets you overthrown.

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 AK>>> Terrorism is not a correct word. At present time this word became
 AK>>> misused very much. And in many places it helps freedom oppression.

 BK>> They terrorized the people, but that's not terror under current
 BK>> usage. Funny that.

 AK>    There have been a lot of wars on Earth, but we don't
 AK>    call their participants terrorists. Even if they hold a
 AK>    military operation with the name "Terror in desert." ;=)

 War against the other sides military is not called terrorism,
 not even by the US National Counter Terrorism Center. The attack
 must be against the innocent.

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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