Hi, BOB KLAHN!
I read your message from 30.04.2014 02:18

  BK> Read a column by Gwynne Dyer, yesterday's paper. He believes the
  BK> Ukraine crisis won't lead to WWIII. His theory is, nobody is going
  BK> to push it that far, the last two world wars taught them the
  BK> lesson, it's not worth it.

  BK> As he said, "That is why, even as Russian tanks drive right up to
  BK> Ukraine's eastern borders, and the Ukrainian army prepares to die
  BK> in a fight it knows it would lose, nobody else in europe is getting
  BK> ready for war. If the Russians want part or all of Ukraine, they
  BK> can have it-and pay the long term price for taking it, which would
  BK> be very high. But nothing in Eurpoe is worth blowing all of Europe
  BK> up for."

  BK> I wonder about that. I wonder if, maybe, he's got it backwards. I
  BK> wonder if the result of doing nothing might not be what leads to
  BK> the war nobody wants.

  BK> We have long been told that Hitler might have been stopped,
  BK> probably would have been stopped, if the other nations had stepped
  BK> in with his first aggression against the Sudentenland, against
  BK> Austria, against those who could not defend themselves.

  BK> What makes anyone think Putin is any less than Hitler?

Your words are a twaddle unless you see the columns of Russian tanks and 
troops marching along the Ukraine roads. Ukraine is similar Yugoslavia. 
It is also not a country of a single nation. It is also separated. It is 
also true that in general one part of it hates another. And no wonder 
that in WWII one part hailed Hitler's troops and fought on its side, 
while another part fought with Hitler in a guerilla war.

Who told you that countries cannot split up? Why do you think that 
Ukraine cannot split like Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia? It is not 
pro-Russian forces are fighting in eastern Ukraine. It is the Russian 
people who always lived there, in eastern and southern Ukraine, and they 
were extremely insulted when pro-western rebels removed their candidate 
(Yanukovich, who won democratic elections) from power. Rebels in Kiev 
were minority, but they captured power by force, violating all 
democratic institutions and election results.

Putin is not Hiller, just because Russia is not a fascist Germany. 
Russia doesn't want to rule over the world and topple those governments 
it doesn't like. It is somebody else.

  BK> When Obama declared he was pulling our troops out of Afghanistan
  BK> and Iraq the Republicans ranted and raved about how no one would
  BK> ever trust us, because we abandoned an ally. Yet the governments of
  BK> Iraq and Afghanistan were never allies, they were client states and
  BK> corrupt in the extreme.

It easy to explain. When you conquer a country _by military invasion_ 
you, as a rule, can find collaborators only among bastards, traitors and 
thieves. So, it is no wonder when you see a high level of corruption 
inside of the countries you mentioned above.

  BK> No matter what the status of the Ukraine and it's government,
  BK> Russia is clearly an outside invader. Failing to come to their aid
  BK> would be a clear sign to Putin that the West really is too weak to
  BK> stop him. Not too militarily weak, on that we outweigh them in
  BK> spade, but too weak morally.

It is not correct. Ask people from Israel or the US what an invasion 
looks like. So far you can't tell of Russian "invasion". People must be 
very accurate in such things.

Bye, BOB!
Alexander Koryagin
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