Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 14.07.2014 16:51


  LL>>>> May we all live in a land of idiots.
  GH>>> I'm sure we already do. :) "Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
  GH>>> the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, it's inherent
  GH>>> virtue is the equal sharing of misery" Winston Churchill

  AK>> But capitalism is the unequal sharing of welfare and creating
  AK>> misery and slaves artificially. ;-)

  LF> The "cesspool capitalism" that Karl Marx described was very real in
  LF> his day, but fortunately for all is a thing of the past.

OK, now you are prefer to exploit the barefoot misery from Thailand, 
Philippines, Malaysia etc. But the rule remains -- you must not allow 
misery to vanish, or it will be the end for you. Capitalism needs misery 
as a human body needs blood, as a battery cell needs two electrodes.


  AK>> If they will be out of it, it will be a nightmare scenario and the
  AK>> end of the potential difference that is necessary for survival of
  AK>> the capitalistic system.

  LF> And what kind of economic system will you replace it with? Assuming
  LF> you had the power to do so. Would it be a blast to the past, with a
  LF> "pure" form of feudalism such as the time when we had kings,
  LF> nobles, lords, and serfs? Would it be a personality cult, such as
  LF> Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now, Josef Stalin in the USSR, Marshall
  LF> Tito in Yugoslavia, Mao Tse Tung in China, or Adolf Hitler in Nazi
  LF> Germany?

Well, to answer this question you should read books about future. I mean 
science-fiction novels. Tell me what the people dream of, and I'll tell 
you who they are. The science-fiction in the West is mainly based  on 
paranoid ideas about the end of the world -- you cannot imagine anything 
instead of it. You cannot image that your civilization can have some 
bright future.

Vise versa, people from former Socialist countries saw a great vista 
where their countries could move on. The idea is simple -- a system and 
order at the state level are always more effective that anarchy of the 
free market. Just remember -- when the US wanted to beat the USSR during 
the Moon race they didn't expect that private business could solve such 
a great task. Actually, the US started working in the manner of the USSR 
-- it created a huge _state_ Moon program, planning, financing etc. 
Planning economy in this case proved brightly its effectiveness.

So the conclusion -- the planning economy, if it is realized not by 
fools, is always more effective than private business. The future is for 
this economy. The US has no future (unless it becomes Socialist country 
;-)) , but China with its state economy has a great future. It has put 
the private business where it should be -- at low level like service 
stuff, shops etc.

The main task such countries as Russia, Chine must solve - is how to 
defend the state machinery from idiots and cretins. The most effective 
way we see now in China -- its Communist party doesn't rely any more 
upon Great Leaders like Stalin, Mao Zedong etc. State decisions are made 
by many, not very old, clever people who think about all people, not 
only rich. That is why a huge ship the "China" runs so fast in the world 
waters.

Bye, Lee!
Alexander Koryagin
fido7.debate 2014
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