Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 19.06.2015 00:03


  NS> dream of of your place in history as the creator of this Eurasian
  NS> Union.

  NS> And an independent sovereign Ukraine with a government you can deal
  NS> with is the key. For the core around which the Eurasian Union has
  NS> to be built, is the very same core whose disintegration doomed the
  NS> Soviet Union -- Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine. Alone,
  NS> these four states, would already be the core of a Eurasian Union.
  NS> But if the globalized American dominated west swallows Ukraine it
  NS> can never be.

... with a government, but with the government that is democratically 
elected and is supported by all the Ukrainian people, not only one part. 
Only blind cannot see that Ukraine has been split in two parts for a 
long time. This split has a long history. If you are interested who 
burned the USSR civilians in WWII on the lands occupied by fascists you 
will know that those people were not Germans, but they were western 
Ukrainians who served as Nazi police. In short, two parts of Ukraine are 
divided by hatred, and democracy and elections _were_ the only thing to 
keep them together as a state. When the results of elections were 
tramped by the Kiev's events in 2014 it became clear that the only way 
available for such an Ukraine is not a building of a strong single 
state, but a war. Those Americans (senator Mc Cain - you are the first!) 
who inspired Ukrainian people to overthrow the elected President and 
Government are actually responsible for the blood that flows there now.

  NS> You're Vladimir Putin and you cannot allow Ukraine to join either
  NS> NATO or the European Union. And you won't. The military force you
  NS> have assembled on its eastern borders is the stick. But once there
  NS> is a Ukrainian government you can deal with, you have an even
  NS> mightier carrot to wield.

It's is provocative and mean to compare Ukraine with an animal that is 
directed by Russia with a carrot. The main concern of Russia is millions 
of (Russian) Ukrainians that do not support the things that happened in 
Kiev in the spring of 2014. Actually when President Yanukovich was 
overthrown by the crowd in Kiev, these people were robbed of their 
choice and their right to choose their destiny.

  NS> Let the European Union and its Troika strong-arm banking enforcers
  NS> lay their severe economic demands on the table so that all the
  NS> Ukrainian people understand that their "austerity" will mean
  NS> poverty and hardship in the service of their "fiscal
  NS> responsibility."

Ukrainians see it now. The facking psychopaths that captured the power, 
like rabid germs, have actually dismantled the Ukrainian economy and the 
balance between two parts of Ukrainians. And in addition they created a 
bloody wall that has made the things much more difficult to solve.

  NS> And then you offer your alternative. If Ukraine joins the Eurasian
  NS> Union, Russia will not merely lend it the money to carry its debt
  NS> in return for austerity. It will wipe out the debt entire by
  NS> purchasing the Crimea from Ukraine. You're Vladimir Putin. With the
  NS> stakes this high you can afford to do it.

The problem is not is Crimea, the problem is in the inhabitant of the 
Crimea. The West must understand that it is a propaganda lie that those 
people had voted for separation from Ukraine under Russia's threats and 
gun barrels. The West must understand that even the bitter truth is 
better than a lie. The West must understand what the Crimean population 
really think about the situation on the peninsula. Then it will stop 
save these people from themselves.

  NS> You're Vladimir Putin, formerly of the KGB. You're Vladimir Putin,
  NS> and if you've learned nothing else there, you've learned how to
  NS> make an offer that can't be refused.

If the US thinks that Ukrainian should join the West they should give 
the same right to the second part of Ukraine, which wants another way. 
That will be democracy. We live in 21st century, and we should accept 
divorces rather that killing our wives when they are going to leave us.

Bye, Lee!
Alexander Koryagin
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