-=> Lee Lofaso wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

HIya Lee...


 LL>>>> "Free college for everyone is a bad idea. But it is not
 LL>>>> exactly the type of thing that would make him similar to
 LL>>>> Stalin and Castro."

 SW>> Yes Free College is a bad idea. Who get's employer preference? Free
 SW>> college students or paid? We need to lower student debt not give out
 SW>> more handouts. Let's just let the students stay home and just send them
 SW>> the degree they want. I have a hard time understanding what motivates
 SW>> young people these days. I never got a damn thing when I was young. I
 SW>> had to earn everything! That's my 2 cents anyway. ;-)

 BM> Free tuition is not a new thing.  From 1971 to 1974 I recieved free
 LL> tuition
 BM> from CCNY and it certainly wasn't a community college.  Regarding your
 BM> employer prefernce, why not let merit determine that factor.  Whether free
 BM> or paid, the level of education is still required to attend and succeed.
 BM> So, to me at least, if a student receives free education and graduates
 LL> with
 BM> a 4.0 where a student who pays, taking the same courses, gets a 2.4, which
 BM> one would you
 BM> choose?

 LL> An employer would choose to hire an employee who graduated from an
 LL> accredited school rather than from a school that was not accredited.

Are you saying CCNY is not an accredited school?  I think you better do some
research on that. The way I was reading things from the start it was a given we
were talking about accredited schools so your point is basically moot.

 LL> The issue is not really whether the student had paid for his/her
 LL> tuition or somebody else (taxpayers) had paid for his/her tuition.
 LL> The issue for the employer is whether the potential employee is
 LL> qualified or not qualified to do the job.

 BM> I understand the motivation issue as well.  Success is not guaranteed and
 BM> that should be stressed, but the path to success should be and let
 BM> the student prove him/herself.

 LL> A graduate of an accredited institution of higher learning has
 LL> already proven himself/herself, regardless of who had paid the
 LL> cost of his/her tuition.  As such, the matter of who paid the
 LL> tuition should not be a factor, or an issue of concern, of the
 LL> employer.


Agreed...

 LL> All employees have to constantly prove themselves to their
 LL> employers, throughout their careers, regardless of their education.
 LL> That much should be obvious.

Agreed again, but that wasn't the original stipulation of this thread. 

Everyone seems to be getting all worked up over this free tuition.  The
proposal by Sanders is PUBLIC institutions wuold be free.  In dealing with
private institutions, they have to pay for their sports scholarships somehow,
so the non-jocks will still owe $200K when their done.

  
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Bill

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