> We have a bill that is upsetting the religious community in our state even
> though my state is very far left. I was saying if the practices they want to
> keep were reliable then you would see less need or want for people to ban
> the practices.

Golly, do you mean that Cali is still allowing some of those "cures" for
"sexual deviancy"?  I would have figured that'd been one of the first
states to have done away with electroshock therapy, etc., because it
certainly does not work.

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