HI Roy,

On Fri 2012-Nov-30 13:47, Roy Witt (1:387/22) wrote to Richard Webb:

 Roy>> problem being, how to enforce read-only access to that link. Any
 Roy>> downlink, even a 'read-only downlink' can dump the echo onto a
 Roy>> point address and nobody would be the wiser.

 RW> YEs, did make that suggestion, and yes that could be done.
 RW> However, if somebody puts it up for public access, i.. on
 RW> the web or something it's pretty obvious somebody is
 RW> violating one of them thar gentlemens' agreements.

Roy> Yeup. But it can be shown to their IP that what they're doing is in
Roy> violation of the echo rules. That may be taken seriously and the
Roy> posts deleted from the site. Which requires a diplomatic approach
Roy> from the mod and an open minded IP admin...

Which is why I'd be very explicit in the rules, but I made
the suggestion .  That's one of the reason I made it.
IN that way anybody making it available to the general
public is known to be in violation, and that can be proved
to an ip (as in provider) or an uplink.


 RW> I, for example, when I was feeding Daryl Stout passed the
 RW> r19 echoes through to him from rc19 with hwom I connect for
 RW> other purposes.  I passed the r14 stuff through except for
 RW> 14_chat, was always an open echo for users points and
 RW> anybody within r14 back in the day.  Then after awhile I
 RW> even passed that one through to him without reading it.

Roy> That is against the present RC19's mandate that you get the regional
Roy> echoes from him. Only he can route it through a non-regional node.

RIght, but it had his approval.  My link to it was him.
When Daryl changed feeds  I still connected with him
regularly until he discontinued pots for awhile, but no
longer got the r19 echoes of course.

 RW> The unseen point thing though is an old trick, and when I
 RW> took down my system and was pointing off a buddy for awhile
 RW> he fed me a lot of sysop restricted echoes as a point, read
 RW> only of course.  Then when he went dark 3 months later i was calling
 RW> ld as a point to pick up fido traffic from somebody else as a point,
 RW> and didn't really want the ld downloads of anything but certain
 RW> echoes of particular interest to me.

RW> Understood.

 RW> But, were I mod in question I'd make it pretty explicit what sort of
 RW> access was permitted, and what wasn't.  YEs, some folks might
 RW> circumvent those restrictions, but most long time Fido folks won't
 RW> without good reason.  I told my local boss node when I first started
 RW> pointing off him and he was last man standing for local FIdo bbs that
 RW> I really wasn't that interested, and that he was violating some
 RW> standards of conduct.  HE did ask permission from the nc for me to
 RW> have write access to the netwide sysop echo though.

Roy> If you're acting like a sysop, why not treat you like a sysop...no
Roy> harm in that.

That was his rationale, i was co-sysop of his board.


Regards,
           Richard
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