home bbs files messages ]

Just a sample of the Echomail archive

<< oldest | < older | list | newer > | newest >> ]

 Message 4068 
 Alexander Koryagin to Gleb Hlebov 
 A pie 
 07 Dec 23 09:02:46 
 
MSGID: 2:221/6.0 65716e10
REPLY: 2:5023/24.4222 656f0fee
PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux/IPv6 3.0 20231203
NOTE: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/31.7.0.
CHRS: LATIN-1 2
TZUTC: 0200

Hi, Gleb Hlebov!
I read your message from 05.12.2023 12:56

 AK>> Well, a pie can be cut into portions, but anyway it should
 AK>> theoretically remained a pie. IMPOV. ;)

 GH> Sometimes it may not work this way. E. g. talking about food, you
 GH> can hear something along the lines of:

 GH> "...Nutella has become out comfort food, we like it with banana or
 GH> pretzels."

Nutella is like ice-cream, it is understandable.
out ?-> our
banana ?-> bananas

 GH> Many types of food (besides pie, cake, ice cream, candy etc.) can
 GH> be referred to as uncountable when served in slices, even if you
 GH> still think of it as "countable".

 GH> On the other hand, mentioned as a dish, like a menu item you may
 GH> order in a cafe or restaurant, it should be referred to as
 GH> countable:
 GH> "...They got a cherry pie there that'll kill ya!"
 GH> So, again, it's complicated.

I think that the matter is simpler. When they say in the dictionary that pie
is both countable and uncountable in use they just mean that you _can_ put an
indefinite article before "pie", or you are free not to put it. The same
situation with steak:

"I had steak and kidney pie with chips"
but probably is also correct
"I had a steak and (a) kidney pie with chips"

I also suspect that the more the speech is informal the less articles it
contains. ;-)

Bye, Gleb!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2023

---
 * Origin: nntp://news.fidonet.fi (2:221/6.0)
SEEN-BY: 1/123 10/0 1 15/0 90/1 102/401 103/1 705 105/81 106/201 123/131
SEEN-BY: 128/260 129/305 153/7715 154/10 214/22 218/0 1 215 601 700
SEEN-BY: 218/720 840 850 860 870 880 930 221/1 6 226/30 227/114 229/110
SEEN-BY: 229/112 113 206 307 317 426 428 470 664 700 240/1120 266/512
SEEN-BY: 282/1038 291/111 301/1 113 320/219 322/757 335/364 341/66
SEEN-BY: 341/234 342/200 396/45 460/58 712/848 5020/400 1042 5075/35
PATH: 221/6 301/1 218/700 229/426


<< oldest | < older | list | newer > | newest >> ]

(c) 1994,  bbs@darkrealms.ca