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Hello Alexander,
Alexander Koryagin <2:221/6> vs. me:
GH>> "...Nutella has become out comfort food, we like it with banana
GH>> or pretzels."
AK> Nutella is like ice-cream, it is understandable.
Sure.
AK> out ?-> our
It's just a silly typo, alright.
Damn, I checked that very msg 3 times. How could it creep in? I suspect
someone's tosser did that. Also my work keyboard sucks. :-[
AK> banana ?-> bananas
This is it.
It's supposed to be exactly "we like it with banana".
Alas, "banana" can be uncountable.
GH>> On the other hand, mentioned as a dish, like a menu item you may
GH>> order in a cafe or restaurant, it should be referred to as
GH>> countable:
GH>> "...They got a cherry pie there that'll kill ya!"
GH>> So, again, it's complicated.
AK> I think that the matter is simpler. When they say in the dictionary
AK> that pie is both countable and uncountable in use they just mean that
AK> you _can_ put an indefinite article before "pie", or you are free not
AK> to put it.
It depends on the context. Not having a similar concept in our language, this
is quite hard for us to grasp, it's never simple. :-)
But it doesn't work just at random, as you'd expect.
AK> The same situation with steak:
AK> "I had steak and kidney pie with chips"
AK> but probably is also correct
AK> "I had a steak and (a) kidney pie with chips"
I'm afraid you got it wrong here.
"Steak & kidney pie" is "one entity".
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Steak and kidney pie is a popular British dish. It is a savoury pie filled
principally with a mixture of diced beef, diced kidney (which may be beef,
lamb, veal, or pork) and onion. (google)
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Thus, the first one is the correct usage, the second makes no sense.
AK> I also suspect that the more the speech is informal the less articles
AK> it contains. ;-)
I don't think there's such a connection, or dependency. But without tutors
it's getting hard to settle this kind of dispute. :-)
Again, I could try to explain the usage via some abstractions (this is how I
believe it works):
1. Mom: texts "Did you eat?"
Son: "Yeah sure"
M: "What was it"
S: "Steak and kidney pie with chips"
M: "Good"
2. Friend: asks "So last night you went to that restaurant?"
Me: "Yeah"
F: "How was it?"
M: "Great, I had a steak and kidney pie, at last"
F: "THAT pie? For real? With chips?"
M: "Yeah, it's something else! Highly recommended."
Do you realize the difference between those two? Both are casual dialogue
instances that can occur everyday everywhere.
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WBR, Gleb
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