> Hi Rick!


>I take it you are using the default Ubuntu install of 11.04, with Unity window
> manager?

Yup.  The download install seems to have vaporized (probably something I did),
and i started over with the CD from the magazine, definitely picking tHE
option to wipe out previous traces and start over from scratch.  The two
installations are running together in my mind, but they seem to be extremely
similar anyway.  The CD also offered a "live" option, meaning run it directly
from the CD, no install.  I tried that a few times, using that was extremely
slow compared to using it from an install.

At least one source (I think both) offered the choice to use one of about five
different versions. I tried a couple -- Xubuntu, Kubuntu, whatever -- and I
couldn't see a lot of difference. A few times I did get to something that
looked exactly like a command line, but the few commands that did work gave me
the feeling that I wasn't at a real command line -- that is, underneath the
GUI -- after all.  More like that fake DOS that MS-Windows has been putting on
*top* of the GUI in all versions at least since Windows 95.

What I would really like to see in a user supported community, like I gather
the entire Linux world is, and with the vast quantities of memory now in
pretty much everything, compared to not that long ago in your memory and mine,
is a sort of "Linux for Dummies" type of thing.  Start at the beginning, let
me go at my own speed.  At first, I will need a lot of hald-holding.  More and
more, once I've got some basics down, It's going to click with stuff I already
know, ignition wilil take place, and I drop back into warp speed.

So interactive, user directed lessons would be exactly what I'm looking for. 
For that matter, that's how I like pretty much all my learning, including
foreign languages (and you thought I'd forgotten the topic of my own echo!)  
That's how I like to teach,
too -- if the students take me off on a tangent, then that's where I go. 
Rote, straight out of a book, they can do without a live teacher present.  (I
was all set to capture this and ASCII post it to MAIN BOARd, but I just
justified leaving it here.  Oh boy, what will *I* think about such a flimsy
excuse?  Hmmm, I bet I'll pretend that I'm later going to translate the whole
thing into Espoeranto. Hmmm -- I've translated much longer things, but none of
it, of such evanescent interest.  So, how would I say "evanescent"?  Probably
something like `mallongtempa" -- that is, mal (anti) long (long) temp (time) a
(ish).  That is, short-time-ish.  Gee, esperanto is neat that way it can do
that kind of stuff!  And you don't have to worry, can I really coin compounds
like that?  Yes, you really can. It's expected!)

> If so, you should ask Andy in the Main msg. area if you can just
>"apt-get xfce4" to change to the XFCE4 window manager.  It's a really nice one
> I used xfce4 when I was running Gentoo Linux.

I'll do that.  Is there a simple way to forward a reply from here, to MAIN
BOARD, or another Echo?  If I ever adopt OLRs as my standard way of doing
things, I can or course do it from there.  My reflexes just go back to before
those things existed, so I keep slipping back into aswereing everything live.

> If not that, then what you want to look for is 'terminal'.  It's in the
>accessories menu under Gnome and Unity is based on Gnome.. so you may luck out
> there :)

I keep seeing Gnome mentioned in this Unity thingie, but I'm unclear on what
either name means, let alone how to tell them apart -- or even turn all of it
off if I want to, in case that makes any sense.

> Take care,
> Janis

Prizorgu,
Rick

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