On 03-06-14, EARL CROASMUN said to TIM RICHARDSON:


>> For many decades now, it has been the right of a business owner to refuse
>> service to anyone.


>> Not under the law.


> A business owner has the right to refuse to do business with anyone.
>Just because someone has a business doesn't automatically obligate that
>person to do business with anyone who walks in the door.


EC>With some exceptions, they are legally obligated to do exactly that if it
EC>is a "public accommodation."


Not if that business violates their religious beliefs and practices. Nor a
persons' personal standards and morals.


Its not as though this baker is refusing to sell these two sodomites `anything
at all', just because they are sodomites. They are free to buy anything in
that business they choose, donuts, bread, pies, cakes.


The issue here is; these two sodomites want to get married. they want a
wedding cake.

This particular baker is a practicing Christian, believes that `marriage' is a
sanctified bond between a Man and a Woman, mandated by God, Himself.


Another part of the issue (and I think the REAL issue in this particular case)
is, the sodomites see this as `striking a blow against one of the biggest
hurdles in the country against full acceptance of the degenerate practice of
sodomy; Christianity.'


The issue isn't `the cake'. Its the tearing down of all religion.


See....the sodomites have been attempting to insinuating their lifestyle into
American Mainstream for years, now. Ever since a small portion of some
psychiatric association was bullied by the sodomites and their defenders, into
pretending that same-sex orientation isn't the mental illness that it is, and
removing homosexuality from their list of mental pathologies.


Thats comparable to a DMV in some state, deciding to re-classify a full-sized
tractor-trailer, and designate it a compact car!


Everybody `sees' the tractor-trailer parked there, or moving down the highway,
but its no longer a hugh combination vehicle according to one or two states'
DMV's, its just a compact car!


Sodomy hasn't become `the norm' of human sexual relations, such that we now
`just naturally' see two same-sex sodomites getting `married' as being the
every-day common, acceptable practice, any more than that semi piling into a
string of cars would have the effect of a `compact car'.


You can make or support all the laws you want that classifies that semi as a
`compact car'; but it still weighs around 80,000 pounds fully loaded, and will
cause great havoc if it slams into a line of vehicles stopped on a freeway!


Idiot'thinking legislatures can pass all the laws `mainstreaming' the
sodomites and their `life-style' they want. Its still nothing but `sodomy';
repugnant, disgusting, un-natural behavior.


The sodomites are just getting `pushy' now. Forcing people to acept the un-
acceptable, and big government is helping them. By shredding the Constitution.


Sexual dis-orientation in either a male or female is a mental illness. That
doesn't just up and go away. Not only that...it is disgusting. That doesn't
just up and go away, either.


You can pretend all you want; the `Emperor' isn't wearing new clothes; he's
naked!


EC>But those "beliefs" you talk about have nothing to do with the wedding.


Yes...it does.


EC>You believe that a sexual act between two people of the same sex is
EC>immoral. That has nothing to do with the wedding, let alone the cake.


Yes...it does.


EC>People can have sex outside of marriage, so the act of getting married
EC>just changes the relationship between the two people.  It does not make
EC>the marriage immoral.


> Baking a cake for what you KNOW is a `marriage' that goes against your own >
Christian principles and Scriptural teachings, makes YOU a participant in >
what Christians see as a sinful, evil act; sodomy.


EC>Baking a cake does not make the baker a participant in sodomy.


We aren't talking about just *any* baker. We're talking about a *Christian*
baker. A devout Christian who's Christian teachings are fully against the
practice of sodomy in any form.


EC>Except maybe in some low budget porn movies.


And, like `porn movies', there is a place for them, and people have the right
to NOT have porn theatres in their neighborhoods.


And people of faith have the right NOT to participate in something that
violates their strongly-held Christian principles.


By the way...I have not seen where this bakery is completely refusing to sell
this pair of same-sex sodomites ANYthing in their bakery! Cookies, cupcakes,
pies....nothing!


The bakery is only refusing to be part of something that flies in the face of
their Christian principles; a wedding between two same-sex sodomites.


And...you haven't as yet addressed the one single question;


There are 17 other bakeries in that city. These two sodomites could easily
take their business elsewhere.


Its highly unlikely that these two would have the resources to make this a
court case that will quite probably take some length of time to resolve. At
least it would in ordinary circumstances. And lawyers don't work for free.


I look for this to have a whole lot more to it than we are seeing right now.



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