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-=> Dmitry Protasoff wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

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 DP> Hello, Dennis!

 DP> Friday March 25 2022 21:05, you wrote to me:

 DP>> The whole idea that company is not free with it's own decisions
 DP>> is something from Socialism era. Freedom means freedom for
 DP>> everyone.

 DK> Freedom doesn't mean you can do anything you like.  Also, freedom is

 DP> Freedom for business means that you can stop serving customer who is
 DP> doing some terrible things.
 DP> This is the most important thing, otherwise it will become a nightmare
 DP> for every company.

That depends.  If that "terrible thing" is the customer is simply a Christian,
a Muslim, or an Atheist, or is gay, then no, you can't have a free society if
people want to use economic activity on behalf of a company to exclude.

With Russia, it is more complicated.  Do they have the right to stop activity
of they feel they are going to stop criminal acts, or a genocide, yes, of
course, but I don't think these companies are doing that.  Virtue signalling
isnt a good reason.

 DK>  Companies acting unilaterely are an economic risk, and if China and
 DK> Russia cannot remove this economic risk by political dialogue with the
 DK> U.S. State, they may use this as justification for further economic
 DK> action against the West, and cutting further ties.

 DP> How can you do business with Russia with Putin cannot be trusted at
 DP> all? Tomorrow he'll start a war with NATO, even nuclear.
 DP> Is it wourth the risk?

I don't think he will.  Our media is hyping this up, as they have been for, oh,
the last decade or so, especially since Trump.  We were told that a vote for
Trump was a vote for WWIII, so forgive me if I don't take all this chatter too
seriously.

I'm not saying we should, or shouldn't do business with Russia.  My criticism
is more at how reactionary we are.  That people are making decisions without
thinking of the full ramifications, of how we get out of this situation.  The
US went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, not sure how to actually win it.  This
is what is concerning here, that companies are making knee-jerk reactions, that
we are cutting Russia, but why?  On what terms?  Are we going to resume
business when they withdraw from Ukraine?  When Putin goes?  What is the goal? 
What does Russia need to do to be accepted again?

This is probably quite off topic for this echo.
 
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