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Hello Dan,

On Friday November 07 2025 21:15, you wrote to me:

 MvV>> 4) And last but not least; what happened to that pioneer spirit
 MvV>> that made Fidonet sysops try out and help further develop new
 MvV>> technologies?

 DC> I'm really not sure that exists much any more.  I do understand what
 DC> you mean, and experienced it myself back in FidoNet in the 1990's.

For me it was the prime reason to get involved in IPv6. Now almost two decades
ago I became aware of the IPv4 address space being finate and the expected
depletion. I also learned about the proposed solution; IPv6. That triggered my
curiosity. I wanted to know more about it. That in tur nbrought me in contact
with SisXs and the use of tunnels. SixXs shut down in 2017 but there is still
a lot of interestung material archived on their mo lomger maintained website:
sixxs.net. Anyway, it was the pioneer spirit that made me into a Fidonet IPv6
evangelist...

 DC> Okay, so I can see that (running a server in an area only served by
 DC> CGNAT) as being a valid reason to want/need IPv6.  I guess I didn't
 DC> know that kind of thing was already happening.  Certainly haven't seen
 DC> or heard of it being a thing where I am.

That you may not have been in contact with CGNAT may be explained by the fact
that when filling up the table of IPv4 address the US had the advantage of
first choice. Those handing out the addresses didn't realise that four billion
addresses might NOT be enough for the foreseeable future. Complete /8 were
handed out to US companies and institutions. So in the US there usually is no
shortage of IPv4 addresses. In Europe and other parts of the world most of the
incumbamts still have enough IPv4 on stock but it is different for the
newcomers. And with the fiberglass roll out there are many newcomers. They
don't have "historic" IPv4, they have to buy it on the market and it is
expensive. They need what money they have to invest in the hardware, so many
have adopted a policy of not giving their customers a unique public IPv4
address but use CGNAT instead. Some of them (like mine) still offer the option
of getting a unique public IPv4 on request but not all do. Hence the coming of
CGNAT and the need to go IPv6.


Cheers, Michiel

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