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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 20:45:10 +0000
From: Bernard Peek 
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.ubuntu
Subject: Re: Wanting to change from XP to Ubuntu and keep using Turnpike
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In message , SINNER 
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>* David Aldred wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:
>
>[...]
>
>> FWIW I've been using Linux for a few years now, and I still miss
>> Turnpike.
>>
>> Perhaps it would be good for all TP fans to list just what they
>> particularly like, and then anyone with suggestions for replacements
>> could let us know.
>
>FINALLY! Someone that understands the concept of colaboration, thank you.
>
>>  For all I know there's a client out there
>> somewhere which I haven't found and which does it all!
>
>Or a seemless combination of clients, as mentioned earlier, the Linux
>philosophy is right tool for the job and as little or no bloat and the
>ability to chain applications together that each have the best tools for
>their part of the job.

The original Demon software package was a suite of DOS programs 
originally ported from UNIX and built around KA9Q. Turnpike was 
developed as a replacement to run under Windows. So it started out with 
the aim of replacing what was already best-of-breed. (But best-of-breed 
15 years ago.)

If I understand the history of the program it was originally developed 
by Locomotive Software, who also wrote the CP/M LocoScript 
word-processor used in the Amstrad word-processors. That should be a 
good indicator of the quality of the team who wrote Turnpike.

>> For me, the main things I miss (and bear in mind I haven't used it for
>> a while so may be forgetting something) are:
>>
>> - Ability to treat mailing lists as newsgroups
>
>if the mail list uses a non propiatary format for the message like mbox,
>any newsreader should be able to handle this. Both slrn and mutt can do
>this, one is a news reader, the other mail client.

OK. For the pseudo-newsgroups I would only want the messages routed to 
the news reader, so if there are two separate programs there would have 
to be a filter that rotes the mail to one or the other. That filter 
needs a GUI program to manage it. The system in TP recognises several 
different types of mailing-list software and can generate appropriate 
subscribe/unsubscribe messages for each type. In addition to its default 
settings it is possible to set up arbitrary regexp rules based on 
various mail headers.

Turnpike handles automatic expiry of old news posts. You can set an 
expiry time for each newsgroup. So n days after a posting has been 
downloaded it is automatically removed, unless flagged for keeping. That 
flagging can be done on a per-newsgroup or per-message basis.

>
>> - Simple, *really* simple, killfiling, together with quite
>> sophisticated scoring as well if you want it.  This also applies to
>> mailing lists treated as pseudo-newsgroups, of course
>
>slrn, pan, tin for news. I dont think mutt has scoring but I dont use it
>enough to be positive.

Scoring in Turnpike is available but unsupported. A replacement should 
be able to set up ignore/kill rules through the GUI.

>
>> - Extreme configurability - almost anything can be turned on or off,
>> or set to prompt you before doing things;
>
>Most linux programs allow for that. slrn, tin, mutt, etc.

Turnpike is quite configurable, but there are limits. It's completely 
standards compliant so if there are mandatory requirements in an RFC or 
the GNKSA you won't be able to override them in TP. That's a good or a 
bad thing depending on your point of view.

>
>> - Automatic (configurably, as above) moving of mail to a 'filed'
>> folder when a reply has been sent.
>
>I know slrn does this but I dont mix mail and news ever so I dont have it
>configured to do so but it saves replies and followups to separate files.
>A simple cron job can put them anywhere you like. They are in MBOX
>format.

One of the differences between TP and other programs is that TP is 
designed to handle archived mail. So the "File" operation moves the 
message to a separate archive area and it disppears from the inbox. All 
outgoing messages are also archived. The archives are searchable because 
they are held in the TP database. This is one way in which a replacement 
could improve on TP. TP can only search its own database. A replacement 
storing messages in mbox format could use the Beagle search engine which 
can find other documents too.

>[...]
>
>I am sure, if you are willing to change, that there is some combination
>of applications that can certainly meet or beat the feature set of TP
>with very few exceptions.
>
>Since TP does Mail andNnews it would not be totally inappropriate to post
>questions about TP in news.software.readers so long as you put a 'news'
>spin on the question.

It's been discussed there without any useful results.


-- 
Bernard Peek
back in search of cognoscenti
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