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"Josiah Jenkins"  wrote in message 
news:dhiqu2dsih18j5lvh8eoo6ta8adlapmq98@4ax.com...
> Whilst perusing Usenet on Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:28:53 -0800, I read
> these words from NoStop  :
>>Pete wrote:
>>
>>> I've been surfing the web and not found a good answer to the question of
>>> how to add a program/package from the Internet (not already in
>>> repository). What "directory" do I download to from the Internet so I 
>>> can
>>> itstall it using synaptic?
>>> God this could use a simple download and .exe file like Windows.
>>
>>If it's a deb file you just download it to someplace within your home
>>directory. I have firefox setup to send all downloads to a "Downloads"
>>directory in my home directory. Then you navigate to that directory with
>>Nautilus (the Gnome file manager) and simply double-click on the deb file
>>to install it. Couldn't be simpler. Much easier than Windoze.
>
> Eckshully, that's almost identical to the Windoze procedure
> (if you choose to set it up that way). A downloads folder, navigate
> to there via file manager, double-click the .exe file and tell it
> where to install the program.
>
> The bigger difference is where the 'shortcut' to start the program
> ends up ! In Windoze, you have to tidy up the Start/All Programs
> menu manually or it can end up as a total mess.
>
> And, like a lot of of things in Linux, that's probably not
> a task that the inexperienced user wants to have a go at !
>
> As an experienced Win user but a Linux newbie, I reckon both
> systems have their good points . . . and bad.
>
> The one major gripe that I have against Ubuntu is the inability
> to log in _from_a_boot_ as 'su' (and a different password)
> when you're trying to set the system up from scratch. Similar
> to what you could do as 'administrator' on a buttoned-down
> NT4 / W2K Win installation.
>
> I've been trying to change 'permissions' on an .ogg file.
> Even as sudo or gksudo and using a tag managing program,
> I still can't find out how in Ubuntu . . . 'permission refused'.
> Or you get it changed but it won't save !!!
>
> The same file on a Win XP box. Not a problem, you can do
> it easily in File Mangler and, remember, ogg is _not_a native
> file system to M$.
>
> As I said, IMO both systems have their good points, and bad.
>
> (I've even managed to get a 'chocolate screen of death'
> in Ubuntu which made me feel right at home and makes
> a change from the blue and black ones !)
>
> I actually wonder whether all those years I spent 'tinkering'
> with .ini and .bat files in DOS and Win makes it harder
> to adjust. Whereas, to a new user, a GUI is a GUI is a GUI !
>>
>>All that being said, you're better off, if a package is available in the
>>repos to use Synaptic or apt-get to download and install it. This may on
>>occasion require adding new repos to your /etc/apt/sources.list.
>
> Talking of which, anyone know if the Ubuntu 'universe' and 'multi-
> universe' repositories are linked to the main Debian one ?
> Or do all the distros tap into the same couple of repositories ?
> Not that it matters, I'm just curious !
>>
>>Unfortunately, not all programs you may want to install are already 
>>packaged
>>into a deb file. Those that are not are usually available as source code
>>files that require compiling on your system to make them into functional
>>binaries.
>
> That last sentence can put the fear of death into a newbie !
>
> "Source code" . . . like Cobol, Fortran, Pascal and Lisp ?
>
> "Compile" . . . like put lines of 'ifs, ands and ors' together ?
>
> "Binaries . . . aren't they just dirty pictures you download ?
>
> Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh !
>>
>>Ubuntu with it's 20,000 packages in its repos, pretty much covers
>>most of what you'll need.
>
> Agreed. That's one of the *big* advantages.
> And if you don't like the program and want to try a different one,
> dump one and install another just by ticking a couple of boxes.
>
> -- jjj
frightening.
-Pete 

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