On 09/29/2016 12:13 AM, Pedro Silva -> rick christian wrote:

 PS> Have you tried Devuan ? https://devuan.org/

DOA! Nothing has happened in that thing after its initial *POP*

Plus.. DFSG

DFSG kills things like MP3 support... I am not in this for that side of the
fence.. Like it or not Mp3 and the baggage it has/is here to stay. I honestly
don't care about the source... All I want to do is apt-get install move on in
my life. If there is an issue/bug.. I make a report the creator/author fixes
it... if not I find something else.. In the last 20+ years its taken that long
to come across something non C. While all you "cool" coders took C, I had and
already learned PASCAL.. I walked through that class... didn't really need to
go.. get assignment due it in 5 minutes, work on other things for other
classes, SQL, etc.. Python is about the only thing current I've picked up,
because I had not choice in regards to another project...

But C forget anything that uses the word VOID as part of the language needs to
be sent to a dark black VOID! :) ;)

I offer OGG feeds of something, and 1, ONE, SINGLE person outside of myself
has ever used it...

So things like darkice I need and use daily have to be compiled for MP3 under
any direct Debian based (Ubuntu fixes this), and I've only ever been
successful with that on Raspian, as there was DETAILED STEP BY STEP directions
which didn't leave out 30 obscure libs that you need which if you are not some
GCC guru would never figure out.

It appears that 14.04 is the end of the line for me, and that is where I will
be stuck.. since all the major distros have drunk the systemd flavorade, and
have packaged things post 16+ in such a way that even if you could go back to
upstart, everything in the repo's is now broken and has dependencies on
systemd related stuff. Their own instructions on reverting this don't work..
I've got the carcasses of the VM's to prove it! :) :) ;)

Like the most current binkd package in Ubuntu ties things to an unneeded
dependency.. I surgically removed that, and it works.. It needs a little
manual TLC. (mostly a sudo update-rc binkd defaults)  but it's fine for
14.04.. and its probably fine for 12.04 too.

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