From: agx@sigxcpu.org   
      
   Hi,   
   On Sun, Feb 15, 2026 at 06:45:47PM +0100, Marco Mattiolo wrote:   
   > Il 15/02/26 11:52 AM, Guido Günther ha scritto:   
   > > Can we get a backtrace with debug symbols please?   
   > > Cheers,   
   > >   -- Guido   
   > >   
   > Hi Guido,   
   > yes of course, but that's another issue that brings us away from   
   > the main point of this bug report. ;)   
      
   You brought that up, not me ;) and I'd really like to see why things are   
   crashing as we go to great length to have stable sessions.   
      
   > Phoc is the compositor used by the Phosh shell: Phosh needs Phoc,   
   > not viceversa.   
   >   
   > If you do not feel like dropping the Recommends in phoc, I guess   
   > we will have to mask in some way Phosh' session file so that   
   > phrog doesn't list it in plasma-mobile images on the Mobian side.   
      
   I don't follow. If phosh-session is split out of phosh (as this bug   
   states) how would the Phosh session show up? (Keep in mind that the   
   phosh session setup is completely separate from the phosh binary,   
   there just in the same package atm).   
      
   Generally speaking: I would expect that Plasma Mobile images need to   
   *always* remove at least *one* package being pulled in as a dependency   
   when using phrog in their image builds as we always want the user to get   
   a fairly complete session automatically.   
      
   So in your current situation you'd basically just remove phosh from the   
   mobian PlaMo images. This will continue working when we split i18n files   
   into phosh-common and session scripts into phosh-session. As recommends   
   aren't pulled in on update you're done.   
      
   This should make it possible to use phrog in the PlaMo images with as   
   little risk of things breaking unexpectedly as possible and a reasonable   
   use experience with translated menu entries, etc.   
      
   Cheers,   
    -- Guido   
      
   > But it feels really a hack that would e.g. has side effects   
   > in case the user really wants both Phosh and Plasma complete   
   > systems on their system available to be   
   > chosen in the login manager...   
   >   
   > Kind regards   
   > Marco   
      
   Note to me: The i18n files could move to phosh-common while at that.   
      
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