Hello Ward,

On 30 Dec 13 12:18, Ward Dossche wrote to Nicholas Boel:

 WD> Nick,

 NB>> I've tried telnetting to every one of those zone 4 BBS systems as
 NB>> well as trying to telnet to their binkp ports (knowing that
 NB>> they're all listed as ICM, not getting a response from any of them
 NB>> wasn't very surprising) only to find one available most of the
 NB>> time, and that's the ZC.

 WD> People from Z1 are a funny breed.

I'm sure many think the same about you as well, although I try not to label 
people before knowing them on a better level than this.

 WD> For years I've been getting my nose chewed-off for even daring to
 WD> mention anythng about the disfunctionality of the technical attributes
 WD> associated with what is listed in the Z4-segment. Merely uttering the
 WD> thought that there is no functioning Z4 anymore but in the best of
 WD> cases a set-up of point-like systems got me banished to hell.

 WD> Now it's ... OK ... suddenly ?

Okay for what? I mentioned what I witnessed from my own system at one point in 
time. I didn't say there is no zone 4, and I didn't bash zone 4 for being 
disfunctional - as you seem to like to do.

 WD> First of all, the case of zone-4.

 WD> To be quite blunt, there is no zone-4, just some bogus lines in the
 WD> nodelist:

Yeah that's pretty blunt. Nowhere near what I said, though. And you think I'm 
a funny breed, eh? :(

 WD> Eventually it even is obvious to the blind that there is no Z4.
 WD> Whenever I dared mentioning that in the past, I got machine-gunned
 WD> down by a Z1 firing-squad.

Maybe it's how you went about it that got that response from others? You know, 
the people "not at the top" ?

 WD> And now Z1-elements are telling me that Z4 is really not that
 WD> important?

I didn't say they weren't important. If, in fact, they are real live nodes.. I 
said they wouldn't be affected whatsoever unless an NC allowed unpublished 
listings in his segment before the RCs and ZCs. I highly doubt this would 
happen, and believe Manuel would be the first in zone 4 to join the effort. 
Therefore, nothing should be affected in zone 4 - even if no changes were made 
to the current segments.

You really should get your story straight before putting words into my
messages.

[Cropped out story-time - since what I said seemed to get your panties in a 
bunch in regards to zone 4.]

 WD> There is 1 purpose only to have a zone-4 though, and it's purely
 WD> political ... not that it will ever happen but in case a showdown
 WD> occurs among ZCs there will never be a "no decision" situation with
 WD> the uneven number of 3. Also, there will be no ZC to be awoken from
 WD> the dead to cast a vote out of nowhere.

That's up to you guys to bicker over. Most of the rest of us would just like 
to continue enjoying the network for it's _good_ things and not worry about 
the constant fighting a select few always do. Enjoying the network also 
consists of allowing whatever developers we have left to do their thing, and 
embrace their achievements - especially if said software is deployed to 
advance the network.

 WD> Now, as far as it concerns AllowUnpub ... there is a technical issue
 WD> here with the setup of ERRFLAGS that makes the parameter irrelevant. I
 WD> have explained the situation in direct netmail to Andrew Leary and
 WD> Kees Van Eeten and the problem is in the process of being dealt with.
 WD> Kees doesn't shout, he suggests, he helps ... that's a main trait of
 WD> the man who is worth his weight in ... hay. :-)

 WD> Any more questions?

Why do you seem to lift your nose to everyone else? Does being a ZC of Fidonet 
do that to a person? Not really my idea of a good lifetime achievement, to be 
completely honest. :(

After that, nothing further.. It seems you are the go-to guy if you want 
something that could help and move the network forward sat on for a lot 
longer than it needs to be (from what I remember, not the first time?). Thanks 
for that at least.

Regards,
Nick

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