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  Re: Re: Netmail issue
  By: Alan Ianson to Vincent Coen on Sun Oct 25 2020 11:32 am

 > Vincent Coen wrote to Alan Ianson:
 >
 > VC> I cannot think of a reason why mbse a Linux product would create a
 > VC> Win/dos
 >
 > VC> new line as that's the CRLF two bytes block as *nix ony uses one byte.
 >
 > I guess it's the DOS heritage of BBSing. Multimail and other QWK readers
 > will wrap your text up with CRLF at the end of lines

The QWK format actually has its own unique line-ending sequence: 227 (0xE3). I
don't know the history/reason why (ASCII 10, '\n', seems like it would have
worked fine). According to one QWK spec, this was to "save space", but that
doesn't really make sense. Anyway, MultiMail and (presumably) other QWK
readers do not actually wrap text with CRLF, though perhaps they should. :-)

 > and I think MBSE does that with messages saved on the BBS also.

Should be okay if it does. FidoNet messages are supposed to be '\r' terminated
paragraphs (line-feeds are ignored), so where FidoNet is concerned, CRLF or CR
should work fine.

 > CRLF has been a PITA since day one. It makes messages harder to format on a
 > screen that is a different size than what it was saved on. It was great to
 > format messages for an 80x25 screen when everyone was using that but not
 > everyone uses that today.

Right, and this is *one* thing that FidoNet actually got right:
   All  linefeeds, 0AH, should be ignored.  Systems which display message
   text should wrap long lines to suit their application.

 > VC> Is this block being created from a msg created within mbse, i.e., say
 > VC> golded or other message editor ?
 >
 > I'm looking at these messages inside of .pkt files. These lines start with a
 > CRLF, it's completely out of place there.

It should be fine. The only case where it would not be fine is control
paragraphs (kludge lines) which must begin with a single CR (0x0D) character.
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