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|    10 Aug 13 17:29:28    |
      XPost: can.politics, ab.politics, bc.politics       XPost: ont.politics       From: ConsRCons@govt.cda              Great to see. First his backbenchers in the House. Now voters in his       party.              Senate scandals, voting scandals, spending scandals, economy slide ....       Now the 'REAL women' and the Conservative party homophobes are unhappy.       Life is good.                     I hate the word homophobia. It's not a phobia. You are not scared. You       are an asshole. ~ Morgan Freeman       _________________________________________              Canadian Politics - Postmedia News | 13/08/10              Canadian conservatives divided over Harper government’s defence of gay       rights              Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird says he refuses to “get into a war       of words” about whether the Conservatives will lose support over their       stance on gay rights.                            OTTAWA — The Conservative government’s defence of gay rights abroad       appears to have sharply divided Canadian conservatives.              Some say it’s a natural fit for a government that has made the promotion       of human rights on the world stage a priority, and aligns with the       priorities and values of Conservatives and non-Conservatives alike.              “It’s just the right thing to do, to stand up for the rights of the       individual no matter what country they live in,” said Stephen Taylor,       director of the conservative National Citizens Coalition.              But others have warned it will cost Prime Minister Stephen Harper       support from within his own party.              “I’ve already seen some feedback from some of the conservative, the real       conservative base,” said Brian Rushfeldt, president of the right-wing       advocacy group Canada Family Action. “I think the potential of Harper       and the Conservatives losing some support is very real.”              Even Conservative MPs are divided over the issue, which on the surface       appears to be an outlier among many other foreign policy positions the       Tories have adopted since coming to power.              “We’ve got much more important things to be doing in terms of a foreign       affairs agenda along the lines of trade and health issues and various       other issues that we can help these countries in,” said Conservative       backbencher Maurice Vellacott.              “So I don’t think we have to be promoting that in other countries. We       have far too much and far more important things to be doing.”              Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird refused to say Friday whether he was       worried Conservative members and supporters will turn against the       government over the issue.              “I’ll leave others to those determinations,” he told reporters by phone       from Brazil where he was wrapping up a two-week tour of Latin America.       “I’m not going to get into a war of words on that.”              But his office has extended an invitation to a conservative women’s       group that launched a scathing attack on the minister earlier this week       to meet and discuss the government’s position, indicating concern the       issue could become a problem if allowed to fester.              Under the Conservative government, Canada has been quietly, and       sometimes not so quietly, working to decriminalize homosexuality and       stop anti-gay legislation from being passed in other countries.              Harper and Baird have both publicly criticized Ugandan officials as they       moved to impose stricter restrictions on gay relationships and       activities in the African nation.              Canada has also contributed about $200,000 to local groups to help fight       the law, which has been revised to remove capital punishment for some       offences but maintains harsh prison sentences and remains in the Ugandan       parliament’s legislative queue.              The prime minister and Baird have also spoken against a new Russian law       that bans anyone from providing information about homosexuality to       people under 18 years of age, and said Canadian diplomats in Moscow had       been working behind the scenes to scuttle the legislation.              Immigration Minister Jason Kenney has also made a point of highlighting       Canada’s acceptance of dozens of gay refugees from Iran since taking up       the issue in 2009.              The government says it is simply part of its commitment to standing up       for basic human rights around the world, with Baird saying in September:       “I firmly believe it is the role of the state to protect its people       regardless of gender, sexuality or faith.”              Taylor said there is a big difference between government intervening to       advance gay culture, and protecting individuals from being persecuted       because of their sexuality.              “So instead of a government subsidy of cultural festivals, Canada stands       for a strong and principled foreign policy that defends the right of the       individual,” he said.                     Gwendolyn Landolt, national vice-president of the conservative group       REAL Women, which attacked Baird on the issue earlier this week, said       the Harper government would take some lumps on the issue with the       party’s base.              “Mr. Harper represents the Conservative Party,” she said. “And there are       many in the Conservative Party who would support him. I don’t say       otherwise. But there are many of us who don’t on this issue.”              She and Rushfeldt attacked the government for publicly scolding Russia       and Uganda, and for using taxpayer dollars and government resources to       try to stop anti-gay legislation from passing.              Both said those efforts are different from standing up to the threat       posed by Iran or efforts to protect religious minorities and women’s       rights in countries such as Pakistan and Egypt.              “Eradicating Israel, we’d all object,” Landolt said in reference to       Iranian threats against the Jewish state. “Minority rights being       protected, we all think they should. The question of genital mutilation,       we all find that offensive. The question of women having equal rights,       we all would agree.              “But it is not, and I repeat not, a Canadian value that homosexuals       should usurp religious rights and traditional values.”              Human rights groups say millions of people around the world,       particularly in Africa, the Middle East and parts of Asia, are       persecuted or face penalties, imprisonment or death for their sexual       orientation.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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