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|    Mentally ill left to the streets - where    |
|    13 Jan 14 19:07:11    |
      XPost: can.politics, bc.politics, ont.politics       XPost: ab.politics, tor.general       From: ConsRCons@govt.cda              There seems to always be money - in huge amounts - for the choice       programs of the federal government. Like prisons for marijuana growers       and palaces for their spy agency.       But there never seems to be money for institutions that would see       mentally ill people OFF our streets and getting care, like any other ill       person.              Those types are left to wander our streets, cope for themselves, and       often become major problems for both citizens and police forces. And       our police forces, seemingly untrained in how to handle them, just taser       them or shoot them dead.              We need a new government. And we need a very different type of       government. These people should not be on our streets; nor should they       be targets for cops.       And yeah . . . we DO have the money; the Harper Cons just don't think       this is a priority.       ______________________________       By Christie Blatchford, Postmedia NewsJanuary 13, 2014                     Inquest into police shootings missing the main problem                            TORONTO — It is surely possible to go further afield from the cold,       cruel realities of frontline policing than the coroner’s inquest       examining three Toronto police shooting deaths of mentally ill people       travelled on Monday.              But offhand, I can’t think of how.              The inquest’s final witnesses were Barbara Hall, chief commissioner of       the Ontario Human Rights Commission, and Ashley Lawrence, an analyst       with the commission.              Together, they testified about the commission’s suspicion that police       use of force may have a “differentiated impact” on the mentally ill and       that this is, as Hall said, “a serious, serious human rights issue.”              Bear with me here: The mentally ill fall under the ambit of the       commission in the first place because of their disability (the code       protects from discrimination 17 groups, including Ontarians with       disabilities, physical and invisible, which includes mental illness) and       police, as Lawrence testified, “have an obligation to accommodate       disability up to the point where it’s unsafe,” which would be considered       “undue hardship” in other spheres.              In any case, the commission has identified mental health as one of its       key priorities.              So keen was the OHRC to contribute what one lawyer generously called its       “wealth of information” that Hall and Lawrence volunteered to attend the       inquest.              Since mid-October, the jurors have been hearing evidence about the       deaths of 25-year-old Reyal Jardine-Douglas, who died on Aug. 29, 2010;       Sylvia Klibingaitis, who was 52 when she was killed on Oct. 7, 2011; and       Michael Eligon, a 29-year-old who died on Feb. 3, 2012.              While inquests into all the deaths were mandatory, they were lumped       together as one, the focus, as coroner’s counsel Michael Blain told the       jurors in his opening statement, on Toronto police.              Now, if that made a superficial sort of sense — the three were, after       all, shot by police — this was hardly the only thing they had in common.              Jardine-Douglas was so ill in the days immediately before his death that       his worried family took him to a doctor, who found that despite the       hallucinations his family reported, he was not an immediate threat to       himself or others, which is widely understood to be the test for       involuntary admission in Ontario.              But the doctor recommended a proper assessment and the family duly took       Jardine-Douglas to hospital early the next morning.              But shortly before anyone came to see him, he disappeared.              He came back on Aug. 29, and in a complicated series of events, ended up       with his mother and sister in his sister’s car. His sister became so       worried about him that she took the keys and called 911. Ultimately,       Jardine-Douglas boarded a bus, where, upon spotting a police cruiser, he       unwrapped a knife, ignored commands to drop it, and moved toward two       officers who boarded the bus. The officers backed away, but       Jardine-Douglas kept coming, and was shot twice.              Klibingaitis had been ill since 2009, was diagnosed during a       hospitalization, and thereafter regularly saw a psychiatrist. She was       able to keep working, but the medication she was on caused serious       side-effects such that she had to stop in 2011.              Before her death, Klibingaitis saw her psychiatrist and requested       admission, then changed her mind and left the hospital. She was worried       about her ailing mother; she was afraid of being homeless; her daughter       was leaving the country.              This all coalesced on Oct. 7. Klibingaitis called 911 to report that she       had a knife and wanted to kill her mother.              Police were dispatched, but did nothing more provocative than look in       the windows and then set up a perimeter a distance away.              Klibingaitis emerged from the house, carrying a large knife and ran       toward the officers at speed. She was shot.              Eligon had been living with mental illness for some time. He had a       regular worker and a psychiatrist. He was taken by police to Toronto       East General, where paperwork was completed for a 72-hour involuntary       admission.              However, there was no bed for him there, nor at St. Joseph’s Health       Centre, where his worker and psychiatrist were based.              So, after about 36 hours of waiting for actual help to no avail, Eligon       left, wearing only a hospital gown and socks.              In short order, he stole two pairs of scissors from a store and stabbed       the shopkeeper in the hand, tried to convince a couple of women and a       man to hand over their car keys, and apparently tried to break into some       houses.              When finally confronted by police, Eligon refused to drop the scissors       and was still moving toward the officers, who were skipping backwards,       when he was shot.              The critical thing these poor people had in common, it seems to me, was       not that they were shot by police, but how ill-served they and their       loving families were by the shambles of what passes as the mental       health-care system in Ontario.              That’s where the focus of the inquest should have been, on the doctors,       hospitals, clinics, advocates and legislators who render it so difficult       for the seriously mentally ill in crisis to receive help. Surely the       primary human right is the right of the sick to have a reasonable chance       of getting well.              Worth noting is that neither Hall, nor Lawrence nor the three staff who       accompanied them to the inquest had seen the videos showing the deaths       of Jardine-Douglas, Klibingaitis or Eligon.              Pity: One glimpse of Klibingaitis, for instance, charging at full-tilt       boogie with her knife clears the head of dusty academic theories and              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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