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|    Greg Carr to All    |
|    Re: Justin turns on his own . . . .    |
|    01 Feb 14 18:36:25    |
      XPost: can.politics, ont.politics, bc.politics       From: gregcarrsober@gmail.com              On 01/02/2014 5:48 PM, ConɀƦConɀ wrote:       > No bloody wonder the Harper Cons and the Justin Liberals have been       > supporting each other in the House over the years . . . both parties       > have a propensity to kill and eat their own.       >       > You BET that Justin caught wind of some more of his Liberal senators       > about to be hung over 'senate expenses fraud'. He wants to get upwind of       > those investigations before they become his albatross. What a way to win       > the respect and admiration of current Liberal MPs and future MP       > candidates. The guy with the good hair and nice smile knows how to play       > dirty - with his own party members.       >       > ___________________________       > Published: January 31, 2014 - THE CANADIAN PRESS       >       >       > Liberal MPs seek to remove senators from party constitution       >       > OTTAWA — Liberal members of Parliament are seeking to formally sever       > ties with the scandal-plagued Senate by having all references to       > senators removed from the party’s constitution.       >       > Liberal leader Justin Trudeau announced this week that he was dumping 32       > senators from the Liberal caucus in an effort to eliminate partisanship       > and patronage, and return the upper chamber to its original purpose as a       > place of sober second thought.       >       > But the Liberal party constitution still lists senators as members of       > caucus, as well as automatic delegates at party conventions. It also       > says there is supposed to be at least one senator always sitting on a       > powerful internal committee that helps develop Liberal election       > platforms, though the party said there hasn’t been an active senator on       > the committee in some time.       >       > Deputy Liberal leader Ralph Goodale said removing all mentions of       > senators from the constitution is an administrative step needed to       > fulfill Trudeau’s vision of a less partisan Red Chamber.       >       > To formalize the move, Goodale, national caucus chair Francis       > Scarpaleggia, House leader Dominic Leblanc and House whip Judy Foote       > have written to Liberal Party president Mike Crawley asking the party’s       > national board of directors to start working to amend the constitution.       >       > “The Constitution does identify clear roles and responsibilities for       > caucus which need to be adjusted to reflect our new caucus reality,”       > reads the letter, which was obtained from Trudeau’s office.       >       > “We urge the National Board to develop a process for amending the       > (Liberal Party of Canada) Constitution to remove reference to Senators       > and to operate immediately in a manner that is consistent with only       > elected Members of Parliament being part of the LPC National Caucus.”       >       > The NDP accused Trudeau Friday of breaking his party’s own rules by       > unilaterally excluding senators from caucus without getting the Liberal       > constitution changed first.       >       > Any constitutional amendment requires support from two-thirds of       > delegates at a national convention.       >       > “I think this shows that the Liberal leader drew this up on the back of       > a napkin,” said NDP deputy leader Nathan Cullen. “What he suggested on       > Wednesday was illegal in his constitution. God help us if he ever has to       > interpret the Canadian constitution.”       >       > But Liberals rushed to Trudeau’s defence, insisting the Liberal leader       > does indeed have the power to decide who is part of caucus.       >       > “The constitution is clear in terms of the leader is the one that       > determines who is in caucus,” said Crawley. “It’s the leader’s       purview       > to determine what comprises caucus.”       >       > Either way, it could be several years before the change is formalized.       >       > Any amendment requires support from two-thirds of delegates at a       > national convention, and while a convention will be held in Montreal in       > three weeks, the deadline for submitting proposed constitutional       > amendments has already passed.       >       > Crawley said the board of directors will meet next week to discuss       > proposed amendments, and there are mechanisms in place to hold an       > emergency convention and amend the constitution, as happened following       > the 2011 federal election when the party agreed to put off the       > leadership race by two years.       >       > But he didn’t believe there was a sense of urgency, and that the party       > could wait for the next Liberal convention in 2016.       >       > “Can the party in practice operate in a way that’s aligned with the       > decision that’s been made, and constitutionalize those changes at the       > next convention?” he said. “My sense going in is that we will be able to       > do that, but we need to confirm that.”       >       > Confusion had followed Trudeau’s announcement Wednesday that he was       > ejecting 32 senators from the party caucus.       >       > The senators rebranded themselves the Senate Liberal caucus, and said       > Trudeau couldn’t stop them from calling themselves Liberals because he       > couldn’t strip them of their party membership.       >       > Removing references to the senators from the constitution means they       > will remain members, but without any special standing in the party.       >       > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~       >       >       > “It is horrifying that we have to fight our own government to save the       > environment.” ― Ansel Adams       >       > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~       >       Good for Justin. Best move PR wise and doing the right thing wise since       he obtained power.              --       *Read and obey the Bible*              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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