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   From: Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com   
      
   I have several points to Marxists:   
      
   1. 50% of the American economy is small businesses.  So how can the government   
   own   
   the means of production, and have comparable production.   
      
   2. The government doesn't need to own all the means of production, just some of   
   the means of food production.  Of course, not for profit farms, might do as   
   much,   
   the government is the greatest financing vehicle, and people do deserve food.   
      
   3. If the State is going to wither away, and it's going to be a Communist   
   Utopia   
   one day, as Karl Marx said, why don't we just say, "no one owns anything unless   
   they're carrying it," right now?   
      
   4. Capitalist pigs are replaced by Communist pigs.  Why not just have an equal   
   wage by the hour for everybody.  But we have to be aware of Capital Savings.    
   All   
   that building the economy really comes to, is Capital Savings.  You can't just   
   eat   
   the factory, you have to repair the factory.  You have to build a new factory.   
   The   
   only reason China is succeeding is because it began saving.  Look at North   
   Korea,   
   Vietnam, Cuba, poor, poor, poor.  Not richer every year, and decade, like we   
   have   
   been, and China now is.   
      
   5. Do you understand that dissent is Patriotism in every country; no matter the   
   governmental form.  Marxist countries were dictatorships that heavily repressed   
   dissent.  Even in China, it is illegal to take your children to Church until   
   they   
   are 18, at least in one major State.  China destroys Churches.  Freedom of   
   thought, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of criticism of   
   the   
   government, are essential in any growing and progressing nation.   
      
   6.  You do know that Communism was a worldwide global threat that fell in 1989   
   in   
   all but several countries around the globe right?  Marxists had said the   
   Nations   
   would fall like dominoes and Che Guevara and Co. went country to country from   
   Cuba, ensuring they would do so, while the Soviet Union invaded democratically   
   demonstrating eastern European countries again and again, and had 50,000   
   nuclear   
   bombs pointed at the United States.   
      
   7.  Communist criticisms of Capitalism have merit, but its solutions have none,   
   and are even worse.  Try being socialist rather, like Sweden or Denmark.   
      
   Lenin and Trotsky said "no victim, no crime," Stalin jacked his own people like   
   Hitler, Khrushchev said "we will bury you," to the United States, and Marxist   
   countries worldwide were known for being Totalitarian and Authoritarian.  China   
   today wouldn't tolerate you, unless it felt like it.   
      
   Of course, look at what our own government just did: banned churches.  But only   
   supposedly.  I didn't hear of any actual police actions.  Maybe it's the   
   people,   
   and what they tell each other.  Well I'll tell you, you always have a right to   
   go   
   to Church, and the U.S. government's an idiot.  But if you go to Church during   
   COVID, you're possibly an idiot too.   
      
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