From: Phil.Kane@nov.shmovz.ka.pop   
      
   On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 15:32:07 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:   
      
   >I think in those days there were both good and bad schools in NYC, just as in   
   Phila.   
      
   Even in the early '50s there was a hierarchy of "problem" schools.   
   Kids (mostly boys) who were disruptive in neighborhood schools were   
   shunted to the vocational high school track.  There were a few really   
   good trade schools for both boys and girls such as Manual Arts and   
   Aviation Trade (and others), but for the problem kids East New York   
   Vocational was the mildest and catered to those who could really   
   profit by learning a trade once their behavior problems were dealt   
   with.  George Westinghouse was the next step if they couldn't cut it   
   in those schools.  Fore real problem cases, the final school step was   
   Chelsea where all the hoods went.  After that it was upstate to   
   Lincoln Hall, a real juvenile delinquent place (portrayed as   
   "Spofford" in Law and Order).   
      
   A shame.because good vocational training programs are really needed.   
   My son went to a "trade college" and years later got a Business degree   
   to complement it.  It worked for him.   
      
   I had a neighbor whose kid close to my age was sent to Lincoln Hall   
   and emerged as a full fledged heavy for some gang.  I wonder how long   
   he lasted on the streets as an adult.   
      
   Ob.Transit - many of them could be found hanging around the subway   
   stations near those  schools either before or after school hours.  We   
   came to recognize them by their attire as well as demeanor and steered   
   clear.   
      
   "Stand Clear of the Closing Doors, Please"   
      
   Phil Kane - Beaverton, OR   
   PNW CP HALL  MP 29.9 - OE District   
      
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