On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 8:11:12 PM UTC-5, Phil Kane wrote:   
      
   > We even rode the BMT's Lexington Avenue El on a regular basis while it   
   > still was standing because he loved the "gate cars" and the multiple   
   > bell signals to the motorman.   
      
   SEPTA's Liberty Liners carried two trainline signals for the motorman--a bell   
   and a buzzer.  The doors were manual and two conductors were required to   
   operate them.  One conductor signalled via bell, the other via buzzer.  The   
   extra labor was a factor in    
   why SEPTA didn't like running the trains, plus their high power consumption.    
   But they were neat to ride, a/c in an era when it was rare on transit   
   vehicles, deep cushioned seats, super smooth, super quiet, and fast in the   
   express zone.  Many local    
   railfans took their first legal drink in the Liner bar car.   
      
   Both trainsets have been saved at museums.  One was restored to North Shore   
   colors, the other to in Red Arrow colors.  But I don't know if either are   
   operable.  Being big and fast, they were expensive to maintain, and soak up a   
   lot of power when running.    
    Even on SEPTA the lights would dim as the train accelerated.   
      
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