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From: me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net
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> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 21:26:14 -0500, "Scout"
> wrote:
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>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:05:36 -0500, "Scout"
>>> wrote:
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>>>> wrote in message
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>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:09:21 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Teresita" wrote in message
>>>>>>news:p0of6d02v7d@news4.newsguy.com...
>>>>>>> On 12/12/2017 03:34 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
>>>>>>>> And lastly the fact that she said the word if just goes to show
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> any theist is a fucking idiot and a trashy liar that will say
>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>> or do anything (including lying) just to show that a god exists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No one has shown tangible evidence that a god exists, ever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Can you define exactly what such tangible evidence would be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Note: It has to exist independent of such a God having to prove he
>>>>>>exists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does a swallow need to prove to you it exists?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does a rock?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you even know what it is you would be looking for?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well first your god does not have to prove it exists,
>>>>
>>>>First mistake, I have no gods. I'm here merely as a mildly interested
>>>>neutral party.
>>>>
>>>>>You do.
>>>>
>>>>No, I don't because I've not made any claims that god(s) do or do not
>>>>exist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Can a theist prove they exist?
>>>>
>>>>You would have to ask one.
>>>>
>>>>Of course the flip side of that question is can a antitheist prove they
>>>>do
>>>>not exist
>>>
>>>
>>> do you know what an anti theist is? because I am one.
>>> and proving that I don't exist is an invalid question. it is a null
>>> set. the same as try ng to divide by zero
>>
>>Fine, the you're asserting to have proof that gods don't exist.
>
> again that is an invalid statement,
It's a perfectly valid statement.
>just how will one prove something
> that doesn't exist,
That would seem to be your problem....
>doesn't actually exist. A person would have to
> prove or at least show existence to give the reason why it doesn't
> exist. how do you prove nothing?
And yet you claim to know.....
See lack of evidence of existence is not the same thing as non-existence.
Particularly when you have no idea what the nature is of that which you're
claiming doesn't exist.
Let's postulate for a moment that the primordial singularity that gave rise
to the Big Bang, was in fact a god.
That would mean that all matter, all energy, and literally everything that
exists is God, and the evidence is literally all around you.
Now, in such a case with the evidence literally all around you and
everything you know....could you find the evidence of god when you don't
even understand what the nature of such a god is?
So you're telling me there is no evidence at all....yet you've not shown
there is no evidence. Indeed you can't even tell me what the evidence would
need to be so we would even know what we should be looking for.
If you wish to declare non-existence or even a total lack of
evidence....then you've got to back that up by showing that no god exists
and/or there is absolutely nothing that exists which would establish god(s)
exist.
So....you made the claim....lets see you back it up.
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>
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>>Please present your proof and let's see if it stands up to the same
>>standards you seem to demand of the other side.
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>
>
> there are no standards or benchmarks I use or judge by, I just want a
> single bit of proof, anything will do, anything at all
>
> but as I also said if you want to prove and of the fairies in the
> bible you must also prove harry potter.
>
> or actually if you prove one you will prove the other so that is a
> rather moot point
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>>>>> I doubt it they are about as
>>>>> intelligent as that swallow you mentioned or perhaps even that rock
>>>>> you mentioned.
>>>>
>>>>Which would make them about as intelligent as antitheists.
>>>
>>> Anti theists are the most intelligent of the bunch. read Christopher
>>> Hitchens
>>
>>No, actually that would be the agnostics who identify, accept and
>>acknowledge that we lack the knowledge to make a determination in either
>>direction.
>>
>>Your position is little different than that of theists in that your
>>position
>>is one of faith rather than fact.
>>
>>>>> But as I said your god/fairy does not have to prove anything you do.
>>>>
>>>>and the merry-go-round winds back to the start.
>>>>
>>>>I'll get off now.
>>>>
>>>>Try again when you have something of interest to say.
>>>>
>>
>>I accept your total and utterly inability to answer the questions put to
>>you
>>or address the points being made.
> I really did not see any points being made just some bullshit buy
> someone that is trying to seem intelligent, but I see now that you are
> in fact a theist
>>
> And to be honest you are in a conversation that is so far above you
> that I think you may get lost.
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