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From: me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net
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> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 02:59:09 --0500, Ted
> wrote:
>
>>"Scout" wrote:
>>> wrote in message
>>> news:ihp83dpcqq6s0sk7i1he1aaj9j39deuaog@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 15:23:27 -0500, "Scout"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>> news:77723dhttspnjtg0s3hohitpm9h09vmoh2@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 23:25:53 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:55713ddf3kq93vl20p5fv1mkoouuh0ia40@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 21:26:14 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:i7113d14t45kj2addl7rmur1j0m9ippo9q@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:05:36 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:m0r03ddm4e8vv5fsujd1m597rr0jtugltu@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:09:21 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Teresita" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:p0of6d02v7d@news4.newsguy.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/12/2017 03:34 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And lastly the fact that she said the word if just goes to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any theist is a fucking idiot and a trashy liar that will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or do anything (including lying) just to show that a god
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> exists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one has shown tangible evidence that a god exists, ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you define exactly what such tangible evidence would be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: It has to exist independent of such a God having to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> prove he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does a swallow need to prove to you it exists?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does a rock?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you even know what it is you would be looking for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well first your god does not have to prove it exists,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> First mistake, I have no gods. I'm here merely as a mildly
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>interested
>>>>>>>>>>> neutral party.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, I don't because I've not made any claims that god(s) do or
>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>>>> exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can a theist prove they exist?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You would have to ask one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course the flip side of that question is can a antitheist
>>>>>>>>>>> prove
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>> not exist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> do you know what an anti theist is? because I am one.
>>>>>>>>>> and proving that I don't exist is an invalid question. it is a
>>>>>>>>>> null
>>>>>>>>>> set. the same as try ng to divide by zero
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fine, the you're asserting to have proof that gods don't exist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> again that is an invalid statement,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a perfectly valid statement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just how will one prove something
>>>>>>>> that doesn't exist,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That would seem to be your problem....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> doesn't actually exist. A person would have to
>>>>>>>> prove or at least show existence to give the reason why it doesn't
>>>>>>>> exist. how do you prove nothing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yet you claim to know.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See lack of evidence of existence is not the same thing as
>>>>>>> >>>>non-existence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not my job to present evidence, it is not a task I even need to
>>>>>> do.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never asked you to present the evidence However, you do have an
>>>>> >>obligation
>>>>> to tell us exactly what the evidence should be if it exists.
>>>>> Particularly
>>>>> since you've claimed it doesn't exist. Which means you have to know
>>>>> what >>the
>>>>> evidence should be.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far, despite asking multiple times, you yet to discuss this point.
>>>>>
>>>>> As such I can only conclude that your beliefs are merely a matter of
>>>>> >>Faith,
>>>>> which you mock in other people who hold a different Faith.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will say this one more time for the slow people. I DO NOT have to
>>>> give evidence for something that does not exist,
>>>
>>> If you can't prove it doesn't exist, then how can you assert it doesn't?
>>>
>>> Is not your position merely your own expression of Faith? Faith of the
>>> type you ridicule in others?
>>
>>Exactly. That's why I believe in flubdescrunts. Until somebody can prove
>>they're not real, then they must necessarily exist. That's obvious, right?
>
> well following tht train of though then this "scout" to whom we are
> discussing, I personally brelieve, is a total fucking idiot. Do I have
> proof? well of course I do. I believe it so it must be true, until he
> can prove otherwise it is true.
Which seems to be typical of your thought process. You believe what you want
to believe because that's the way you want it, and FACTS have nothing to do
with your beliefs and must be forced upon you. That is assuming you would
even acknowledge them them.
Hence you see my issue with you and similar atheists. Yours is a matter of
religious faith just as the theists have theirs as a matter of religious
faith. You both mock the other for your faith. Yet each of you is identical
to the other except what your religious faith leads you to believe.
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