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   From: nuke_them_from_orbit@sulaco.com   
      
   "Scout"  wrote in   
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   > news:9qnr3dpqido5tj3ba2mq1tfbr6gj0nj1tp@4ax.com...   
   >> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 02:59:09 --0500, Ted    
   >> wrote:   
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   >>>"Scout"  wrote:   
   >>>>  wrote in message   
   >>>> news:ihp83dpcqq6s0sk7i1he1aaj9j39deuaog@4ax.com...   
   >>>>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 15:23:27 -0500, "Scout"   
   >>>>>  wrote:   
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   >>>>>>  wrote in message   
   >>>>>> news:77723dhttspnjtg0s3hohitpm9h09vmoh2@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 23:25:53 -0500, "Scout"   
   >>>>>>>  wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>> news:55713ddf3kq93vl20p5fv1mkoouuh0ia40@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 21:26:14 -0500, "Scout"   
   >>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>> news:i7113d14t45kj2addl7rmur1j0m9ippo9q@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:05:36 -0500, "Scout"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> news:m0r03ddm4e8vv5fsujd1m597rr0jtugltu@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:09:21 -0500, "Scout"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Teresita"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:p0of6d02v7d@news4.newsguy.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/12/2017 03:34 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And lastly the fact that she said the word if just goes   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to show   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any theist is a fucking idiot and a trashy liar that will   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or do anything (including lying) just to show that a god   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>>>>> exists.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one has shown tangible evidence that a god exists,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you define exactly what such tangible evidence would   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: It has to exist independent of such a God having to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> prove he   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> exists.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does a swallow need to prove to you it exists?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does a rock?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you even know what it is you would be looking for?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well first your god does not have to prove it exists,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> First mistake, I have no gods. I'm here merely as a mildly   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>interested   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> neutral party.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> You do.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> No, I don't because I've not made any claims that god(s) do   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> or do >>>>>>>>not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> exist.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can a theist prove they exist?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> You would have to ask one.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Of course the flip side of that question is can a antitheist   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> prove   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> do   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> not exist   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> do you know what an anti theist is? because I am one.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> and proving that I don't exist is an invalid question. it is a   
   >>>>>>>>>>> null   
   >>>>>>>>>>> set. the same as try ng to divide by zero   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Fine, the you're asserting to have proof that gods don't exist.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> again that is an invalid statement,   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It's a perfectly valid statement.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> just how will one prove something   
   >>>>>>>>> that doesn't exist,   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> That would seem to be your problem....   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> doesn't actually exist. A person would have to   
   >>>>>>>>> prove or at least show existence to give the reason why it   
   >>>>>>>>> doesn't exist. how do you prove nothing?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> And yet you claim to know.....   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> See lack of evidence of existence is not the same thing as   
   >>>>>>>>  >>>>non-existence.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> It is not my job to present evidence, it is not a task I even need   
   >>>>>>> to do.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I never asked you to present the evidence However, you do have an   
   >>>>>>  >>obligation   
   >>>>>> to tell us exactly what the evidence should be if it exists.   
   >>>>>> Particularly   
   >>>>>> since you've claimed it doesn't exist. Which means you have to know   
   >>>>>> what >>the   
   >>>>>> evidence should be.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> So far, despite asking multiple times, you yet to discuss this   
   >>>>>> point.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> As such I can only conclude that your beliefs are merely a matter   
   >>>>>> of   
   >>>>>>  >>Faith,   
   >>>>>> which you mock in other people who hold a different Faith.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I will say this one more time for the slow people. I DO NOT have to   
   >>>>> give evidence for something that does not exist,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If you can't prove it doesn't exist, then how can you assert it   
   >>>> doesn't?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Is not your position merely your own expression of Faith? Faith of   
   >>>> the type you ridicule in others?   
   >>>   
   >>>Exactly. That's why I believe in flubdescrunts. Until somebody can   
   >>>prove they're not real, then they must necessarily exist. That's   
   >>>obvious, right?   
   >>   
   >> well following tht train of though then this "scout" to whom we are   
   >> discussing, I personally brelieve, is a total fucking idiot. Do I have   
   >> proof? well of course I do. I believe it so it must be true, until he   
   >> can prove otherwise it is true.   
   >   
   > Which seems to be typical of your thought process. You believe what you   
   > want to believe because that's the way you want it, and FACTS have   
   > nothing to do with your beliefs and must be forced upon you. That is   
   > assuming you would even acknowledge them them.   
   >   
   > Hence you see my issue with you and similar atheists. Yours is a matter   
   > of religious faith just as the theists have theirs as a matter of   
   > religious faith. You both mock the other for your faith. Yet each of you   
   > is identical to the other except what your religious faith leads you to   
   > believe.   
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   Now, now. I don't mock atheists. I pity them thier narrow mindedness.   
      
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