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   From: trdell12345@gmail.com   
      
   On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 14:29:09 -0500, "Scout"   
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   >news:792s3dpfgicq0mteik46kf7jptggq03tfe@4ax.com...   
   >> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 00:00:39 -0500, "Scout"   
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   >>>news:9qnr3dpqido5tj3ba2mq1tfbr6gj0nj1tp@4ax.com...   
   >>>> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 02:59:09 --0500, Ted    
   >>>> wrote:   
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   >>>>>"Scout"  wrote:   
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   >>>>>> news:ihp83dpcqq6s0sk7i1he1aaj9j39deuaog@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 15:23:27 -0500, "Scout"   
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   >>>>>>>> news:77723dhttspnjtg0s3hohitpm9h09vmoh2@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 23:25:53 -0500, "Scout"   
   >>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>> news:55713ddf3kq93vl20p5fv1mkoouuh0ia40@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 21:26:14 -0500, "Scout"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> news:i7113d14t45kj2addl7rmur1j0m9ippo9q@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:05:36 -0500, "Scout"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:m0r03ddm4e8vv5fsujd1m597rr0jtugltu@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:09:21 -0500, "Scout"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Teresita"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:p0of6d02v7d@news4.newsguy.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/12/2017 03:34 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And lastly the fact that she said the word if just goes to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any theist is a fucking idiot and a trashy liar that will   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or do anything (including lying) just to show that a god   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>>>>> exists.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one has shown tangible evidence that a god exists, ever.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you define exactly what such tangible evidence would be?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: It has to exist independent of such a God having to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prove he   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exists.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does a swallow need to prove to you it exists?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does a rock?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you even know what it is you would be looking for?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well first your god does not have to prove it exists,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> First mistake, I have no gods. I'm here merely as a mildly   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>interested   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> neutral party.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I don't because I've not made any claims that god(s) do or   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can a theist prove they exist?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You would have to ask one.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course the flip side of that question is can a antitheist   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> prove   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not exist   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> do you know what an anti theist is? because I am one.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> and proving that I don't exist is an invalid question. it is a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> null   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> set. the same as try ng to divide by zero   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Fine, the you're asserting to have proof that gods don't exist.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> again that is an invalid statement,   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> It's a perfectly valid statement.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> just how will one prove something   
   >>>>>>>>>>> that doesn't exist,   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> That would seem to be your problem....   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't actually exist. A person would have to   
   >>>>>>>>>>> prove or at least show existence to give the reason why it   
   >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't   
   >>>>>>>>>>> exist. how do you prove nothing?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> And yet you claim to know.....   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> See lack of evidence of existence is not the same thing as   
   >>>>>>>>>>  >>>>non-existence.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> It is not my job to present evidence, it is not a task I even need   
   >>>>>>>>> to   
   >>>>>>>>> do.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I never asked you to present the evidence However, you do have an   
   >>>>>>>>  >>obligation   
   >>>>>>>> to tell us exactly what the evidence should be if it exists.   
   >>>>>>>> Particularly   
   >>>>>>>> since you've claimed it doesn't exist. Which means you have to know   
   >>>>>>>> what >>the   
   >>>>>>>> evidence should be.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> So far, despite asking multiple times, you yet to discuss this   
   >>>>>>>> point.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> As such I can only conclude that your beliefs are merely a matter of   
   >>>>>>>>  >>Faith,   
   >>>>>>>> which you mock in other people who hold a different Faith.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I will say this one more time for the slow people. I DO NOT have to   
   >>>>>>> give evidence for something that does not exist,   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> If you can't prove it doesn't exist, then how can you assert it   
   >>>>>> doesn't?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Is not your position merely your own expression of Faith? Faith of the   
   >>>>>> type you ridicule in others?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Exactly. That's why I believe in flubdescrunts. Until somebody can prove   
   >>>>>they're not real, then they must necessarily exist. That's obvious,   
   >>>>>right?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> well following tht train of though then this "scout" to whom we are   
   >>>> discussing, I personally brelieve, is a total fucking idiot. Do I have   
   >>>> proof? well of course I do. I believe it so it must be true, until he   
   >>>> can prove otherwise it is true.   
   >>>   
   >>>Which seems to be typical of your thought process. You believe what you   
   >>>want   
   >>>to believe because that's the way you want it, and FACTS have nothing to   
   >>>do   
   >>>with your beliefs and must be forced upon you. That is assuming you would   
   >>>even acknowledge them them.   
   >>>   
   >>>Hence you see my issue with you and similar atheists. Yours is a matter of   
   >>>religious faith just as the theists have theirs as a matter of religious   
      
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