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From: me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net
"MattB" wrote in message
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> On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 14:29:09 -0500, "Scout"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> wrote in message
>>news:792s3dpfgicq0mteik46kf7jptggq03tfe@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 00:00:39 -0500, "Scout"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> wrote in message
>>>>news:9qnr3dpqido5tj3ba2mq1tfbr6gj0nj1tp@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 02:59:09 --0500, Ted
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Scout" wrote:
>>>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:ihp83dpcqq6s0sk7i1he1aaj9j39deuaog@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 15:23:27 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:77723dhttspnjtg0s3hohitpm9h09vmoh2@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 23:25:53 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:55713ddf3kq93vl20p5fv1mkoouuh0ia40@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 21:26:14 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:i7113d14t45kj2addl7rmur1j0m9ippo9q@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:05:36 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:m0r03ddm4e8vv5fsujd1m597rr0jtugltu@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:09:21 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Teresita" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:p0of6d02v7d@news4.newsguy.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/12/2017 03:34 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And lastly the fact that she said the word if just goes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any theist is a fucking idiot and a trashy liar that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or do anything (including lying) just to show that a god
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> exists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one has shown tangible evidence that a god exists,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you define exactly what such tangible evidence would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: It has to exist independent of such a God having to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prove he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does a swallow need to prove to you it exists?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does a rock?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you even know what it is you would be looking for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well first your god does not have to prove it exists,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First mistake, I have no gods. I'm here merely as a mildly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>interested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neutral party.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I don't because I've not made any claims that god(s) do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can a theist prove they exist?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You would have to ask one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course the flip side of that question is can a antitheist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do you know what an anti theist is? because I am one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and proving that I don't exist is an invalid question. it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> null
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set. the same as try ng to divide by zero
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fine, the you're asserting to have proof that gods don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> again that is an invalid statement,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's a perfectly valid statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> just how will one prove something
>>>>>>>>>>>> that doesn't exist,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That would seem to be your problem....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't actually exist. A person would have to
>>>>>>>>>>>> prove or at least show existence to give the reason why it
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> exist. how do you prove nothing?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And yet you claim to know.....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> See lack of evidence of existence is not the same thing as
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>non-existence.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is not my job to present evidence, it is not a task I even
>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I never asked you to present the evidence However, you do have an
>>>>>>>>> >>obligation
>>>>>>>>> to tell us exactly what the evidence should be if it exists.
>>>>>>>>> Particularly
>>>>>>>>> since you've claimed it doesn't exist. Which means you have to
>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>> what >>the
>>>>>>>>> evidence should be.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So far, despite asking multiple times, you yet to discuss this
>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As such I can only conclude that your beliefs are merely a matter
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> >>Faith,
>>>>>>>>> which you mock in other people who hold a different Faith.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will say this one more time for the slow people. I DO NOT have to
>>>>>>>> give evidence for something that does not exist,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you can't prove it doesn't exist, then how can you assert it
>>>>>>> doesn't?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is not your position merely your own expression of Faith? Faith of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> type you ridicule in others?
>>>>>>
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