From: grammatim@verizon.net   
      
   On Thursday, April 11, 2019 at 7:15:26 PM UTC-4, houn...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:   
   > On 11.04.19 23:02, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:   
   > > On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 6:50:52 PM UTC-4, houn...@yahoo.co.uk   
   wrote:   
   > >> On 10.04.19 20:17, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:   
   > >>> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 6:43:17 PM UTC-4, houn...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:   
      
   > >>>>> Phila had a Mkt-Fkd fleet delivered in 1960.  I always thought   
   > >>>>> they rode like crap.  I was told that they were built on the   
   > >>>>> cheap to save money.   
   > >>>> Who built them, Budd?   
   > >>> Yes, Budd in 1960.  Pretty short delivery (by truck), from   
   > >>> the plant to the El terminal.   
   > >>> The Mkt-Fkd line was and is trolley guage, not standard.   
   > >> I did not know that, I must admit.   
   > >> Did the M4s carry much of a cost premium, due to their unique track   
   > >> gauge? It could be seen as a bespoke job.   
   > > Since it was new construction and a volume job, I don't think there   
   > > was any added cost.   
   > > The MFSE and BSS are totally separate, no connection.  It probably   
   > > would've helped SEPTA to have a connection to allowed for common   
   > > work equipment.  But like the IRT and IND-BMT, they're of different   
   > > carbody sizes, too.   
   >   
   > Loading gauge issues, in that case.   
   >   
   > > Do they use IRT work trains on the BMT-IND?   
   >   
   > That's a good question, the answer to which I honestly don't know.   
   >   
   > A division trains' smaller size makes it physically possible for them to   
   > run B2 and B1 divisions. They would not properly berth at stations,   
   > however, which might create safety and union issues for the work crews.   
   >   
   > The tripcocks on B2- and B1-division trains are also on the left,   
   > whereas A-division trains' are on the right. Thus, they would be subject   
   > to rule N37 -- proceed restricted and be prepared to stop within half   
   > distance of sighting, IIRC.   
   >   
   > I am thus guessing that any safe movement of A-division trains over   
   > B2-/B1-metal would require a locomotive to haul them.   
   >   
   > It's much easier for B2- and B1-division trains: There's simply no   
   > loading gauge for them on A-division. I mean, they had to modify tunnels   
   > on the Fulton Street Line to accommodate the R-38s.   
      
   Sorry, New Yorkers don't know "A" and "B" divisions, only IRT-IND-BMT,   
   though those designations may work for foreigners and Philadelphians   
   like hancock.   
      
   Nor are we Chicago, naming lines by their colors.   
      
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