From: grammatim@verizon.net   
      
   On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 9:41:50 AM UTC-4, danny burstein wrote:   
   > In  ste...@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill)   
   writes:   
   >   
   > [snip]   
   > >If you have a minivan full of enough people, the congestion   
   > >charge will be less than the subway fare. And you'll have a   
   > >faster ride because of less congestion.   
   >   
   > One BIG annoyance in the recent changes in PANYNJ tolls (for   
   > some value of recent that might be a decade by now...) was   
   > the MAJOR increase in the toll rate for buses and the   
   > shuttle vans.   
      
   The only time I have driven into the city (from Jersey City)   
   since the toll was raised from $6 was when I had a weekend   
   conference at St. John's University, which cannot be accessed   
   in a finite amount of time by public transportation -- and the   
   hotel was about two miles from the campus, necessitating   
   a car while there.   
      
   The Holland Tunnel was not a problem. Canal Street to   
   Delancey to the Manhattan Bridge was hellish. The BQE   
   to the LIE was hellish. The LIE was hellish. And this was   
   early on a Thursday afternoon.   
      
   Returning early Sunday afternoon was also hellish.   
      
   Cars do not belong in cities.   
      
   My question regarding congestion pricing concerns   
   crossing Manhattan to the Island. They keep threatening   
   to toll the four East River bridges. Even so, are we supposed   
   to drive all the way around the bottom of Manhattan to get   
   there?   
      
   I drove to my friend's mother's funeral in Bristol, CT.   
   I used the Tappan Zee. It was $5. If there had been   
   time I would have used the gorgeous Bear Mountain   
   Bridge, which was either $1 or by then $1.25 (but US-6   
   isn't built for speed).   
      
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