From: grammatim@verizon.net   
      
   On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:13:39 AM UTC-4, General Kireiko wrote:   
   > Peter T. Daniels  wrote:    
      
   > : I was checking a bus schedule last week (had to go into the city) and   
   > : accidentally discovered that that info is provided for, at the very least,    
   > : the M7 bus. Presumably for other, perhaps all, bus lines as well. (I think    
   > : it was when I asked for the map of the bus line that would show me where    
   > : the stops are.)    
   >    
   > : Such info has been available for subways for years, because long ago    
   > : the GCT branch of the Transit Museum had on display an artwork that    
   > : turned train position info on every line into glowing dots and musical    
   > : tones. I wrote down the url -- and it worked on my computer. Unfortunately    
   > : I lost the bookmark when the computer died.    
   >    
   > : So maybe the subway line maps now show real-time locations!   
   >   
   > I had to take a bus from Downtown Brooklyn to Red Hook. Real time    
   > bus location are provided for on the bus timetables app / web page.    
   > While not on a traditioal map, each stop is listed top to bottom, and    
   > where the buses are is shown / indicated. If you allow location services,    
   > it will tell you how far away the bus is from the stop you are at.    
      
   Maybe Manhattan _is_ special! It was an accurate map of the M7    
   (which, to be sure, is pretty much a straight line, though it does    
   make the jog across 59th St. to Seventh Ave., then across 14th and    
   back up Sixth), whereas Brooklyn lines are more likely to wiggle around    
   because of all the ancient village grids and thus might need to be    
   straightened out / reoriented.   
      
   > For the subway, there is a real-time map on one of the MTA's web pages    
   > that indicates train position as a grey rectangle moving along a    
   > trunk line.    
   >    
   > The info is out there. I just don't think its publicized. The "transit"    
   > app used to display this stuff, too. But since they went to a pay    
   > model, I've stopped using it.    
      
   NJTransit formerly had two or three (out of 21) extremely stylized bus    
   route maps by county, but I know of at least one error (the 87 uses a    
   pair of one-way streets near my house and it had the arrows wrong,    
   which could create a real problem for a visitor). Keeping them current    
   would be a big problem. So the only thing that passes for bus route    
   maps are the diagrams printed in the timetables.    
      
   But the "bus arrival info" for each stop works quyite well.   
      
   To find where the stops are, though, the only option I've found is the    
   Google Maps "Transit" layer. (I know it works in Map mode, not sure    
   about Satellite.) If you zoom in close enough, it has little bus icons    
   at each stop and sometimes clicking on them shows which buses    
   stop there.   
      
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