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   "klunk"  wrote in message   
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   >> klunk"  wrote:   
   >> LIES!!   
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   >> Alex Cunningham" wrote:   
   >> Now where's your documented proof that the long gun registry is effective   
   >> in solving crimes?   
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   >> "klunk"  wrote:  Now where's your documented   
   >> proof   
   >> that the long gun registry is NOT effective in solving crimes?   
   >> "Alex Cunningham" wrote:   
      
   It has been some time since I posted the cost/benifit artical and I intended   
   to continue with more compelling facts about the ineffectiveness of the long   
   gun registry, but I have been quite ill.   
   I have been doing a lot of research on this matter, approaching the task   
   with a proponant of registry mindset to be as unbiased and objective as I   
   can, to find positive proof the registry aids in crime fighting and makes us   
   safer. I spent hours reading articals and I also spent some time questioning   
   local police...my x-brother-in-law had his own security business so he knows   
   all the c ity cops, OPP and RCMP. What I learned, though, was what I   
   summized and believed, still surprized me some hearing it right from the   
   police.   
   I could not find one definitive piece of evidence the registry does what   
   Allan airhead Rock claimed it would do, make us safer. Nor did I find one   
   cop that found the registry useful, or that was in support of keeping   
   it...not ONE!   
   What I did find, is a lot of law enforcement that say the CACP's supporting   
   the registry are actually putting officers at risk and the money wasted   
   would be better spent getting criminals off the street.   
   Here's just a few of hundreds of responses by police that I read.   
   How can you dispute evidence that registration doesn't work when it comes   
   right from the people out there on the front line that are suppose to be   
   "using it thousands of times a day"?   
   If you think this is not enough evidence, I have hundreds more for you!   
   Larry   
      
   TORONTO POLICE CHIEF JULIAN FANTINO: Asked about the bamboozle of the   
   federal gun-registry system, a billion-dollar fiasco, Fantino - who does not   
   support the registry, unlike most police chiefs in Canada - noted that the   
   system has not helped Toronto police solve a single homicide. "We have spent   
   an extraordinary amount of money in this one area, but we haven't given the   
   same attention with regards to gun crime in our society.''   
   Source: Quote from The Toronto Star - "A shot fired across the bow of a smug   
   Toronto"- Column by Rosie Dimanno - Page A02, March 10, 2004   
      
   LEN GRINNELL, RETIRED RCMP STAFF-SARGEANT: As you have already responded to   
   the position of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police (CACP) in this   
   regard, I offer my wholehearted agreement. As a retired member of the RCMP,   
   who supervised police officers in Canada's largest Detachments, I have grave   
   concerns about the reliance on the registry for data which could result in   
   death or injury of a police officer. Accepting the premise that criminals   
   will not register guns, one has to wonder how that would affect approaching   
   a residence or premises that had been checked with the registry and found   
   "no firearms present"? In the case of a "hit" that indicates the residence   
   in question is owned by a lawful firearms owner, what approach would the   
   police take. My experience has told me that the greatest hazard to police   
   officers is complacence and I found it prudent to continually remind my   
   staff of that fact. Relying on a flawed system for officer safety will   
   eventually lead to a tragedy. It is unfortunate that the CACP did not take   
   the time to consider the consequences of their position and the safety of   
   the men and women they represent.   
   SOURCE: E-Mail to Garry Breitkreuz, MP dated February 1, 2006   
      
   GILBERT YARD, RETIRED RCMP SUPERINTENDENT: I am appalled at just how much   
   has been spent to date on the firearms registration process. But perhaps   
   even more disturbing is the misplaced focus on legal firearms. Like many   
   reasonable Canadians, I support programs that address the structural and   
   social situations that give rise to crime. Our first objective should be to   
   promote law-abiding, non-destructive behaviour in as many members of society   
   as possible. There comes a point, however, where punishment and protection   
   of the public must be the focus. In these cases, illegal acts and violent   
   behaviour should be treated with appropriate penalties. From reading my   
   views on gun control and firearms legislation, I suspect that many might   
   feel that I am a "gun nut" with pro-American feelings regarding gun   
   possession. This is just not so. Growing up, my family had limited contact   
   with firearms but we were raised to believe that a gun was a serious tool to   
   be used in appropriate circumstances only. I can understand people who   
   emotionally react to guns as all bad but I am convinced that such emotion   
   can mask the true problem of illegal gun possession and/or usage. During my   
   37 years of policing I carried a handgun as a tool of my profession. I was   
   also exposed to a wide cross-section of collectors and target shooters who   
   used, stored and transported their weapons in a legal and responsible   
   manner. They are not the problem. The misdirection of time, effort and   
   funding is unforgivable. I believe that Canadians are much too astute to   
   believe that either Bill C-68 or the proposed handgun legislation is   
   anything other than a waste of time, effort and money. Wasting public funds   
   that could really make a difference in acute justice issues, in my view,   
   borders on criminal activity.   
   SOURCE: THE NORTH SHORE NEWS, "Gun legislation an election issue" published   
   January 11, 2006   
      
   LEO TONEGUZZI, RETIRED CHIEF OF POLICE: WHEN WILL politicians quit abusing   
   law-abiding members of our society for personal gain? Guns do not kill   
   people. People kill people. Whether it is a gun, knife, baseball bat or   
   other weapon it is merely the means to gain the end result. Mr. Martin, your   
   government promised that the foolhardy gun registration laws you initiated   
   would end the high amount of violence throughout Canada. That plan failed   
   and now to get votes in the greater G.T.A. area you propose an entire ban on   
   all handguns. Did the government ever take a good look at why the violence   
   is occurring? What has the justice system done for us? (Add up the number of   
   years spent in jail by these offenders in the past 10 years for the serious   
   crimes they committed.) Have you tracked the parole boards' decisions? (How   
   many re-offenders have committed serious crimes while on parole?) Who are   
      
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