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   Well, this is interesting. Remember all that whoopla about the police chiefs   
   and CACPs' supposedly in staunch support of the registry, that aint xactly   
   true! Here is a little tidbit, which took me hours of reading to find, that   
   sure wasn't suppose to be discovered. Seems they've been into some mind   
   changin', but we sure weren't suppose to, and the Libs' didn't want us, ta   
   find out!   
   So, you armchair do-gooders, here's my proof, from da horses mouth so to   
   speak, that this registry has absolutely no positive effect in keeping YOU   
   safe from guns.   
   Now, where is your proof it does?????   
      
   "POLICE SAY: GUN REGISTRY IS "DEEPLY, AND POSSIBLY, FATALLY FLAWED"   
   Police Association letter: "To think criminals will be affected by   
   this legislation is asinine."   
      
   Ottawa - Today, Garry Breitkreuz, Official Opposition Firearms Critic   
   and MP for Yorkton-Melville, made public a copy of leaked letter that   
   adds credence to his claims that the police associations are getting   
   ready to withdraw their "official" support from the Liberal's useless   
   $400 million gun registry. "We always knew that the vast majority of   
   police on the street opposed the gun registration scheme, now we have   
   proof that the executive who represent these rank-and-file officers   
   are finally starting to get the message."   
   Breitkreuz released a copy of a letter from the Ontario Senior   
   Officers' Police Association to Solicitor General Lawrence MacAuley   
   dated Friday, January 21, 2000. The 8-page letter provides even more   
   evidence that the gun registry is in serious trouble and corroborates   
   reports given to Justice Minister Anne McLellan by her own User Group   
   on Firearms. The letter states, "There is little doubt that the   
   legislation is deeply, and possibly fatally flawed. There was ample   
   time to research and prepare appropriately for a feasible and workable   
   act - this was not done, in our view."   
   Here are a few more quotable quotes from the police association letter   
   to the Liberal government:   
   ·      This.has produced bitterness, acrimony, divisive bickering.and an   
   act which, to be kind, is ineffective .   
   ·      It has created a bureaucratic quagmire and its deterrent effect is   
   questionable, at best.   
   ·      A glance at Bill C68 is all that is required to realize that a law   
   degree is required to understand and use it.   
   ·      Several thousand FIP hits.because they have been extracted several   
   times for the same incident.   
   ·      The original matter has to be re-investigated. Surely, this is not   
   how the system was designed to work.   
   ·      Transfers now take up to three days to complete. The sale or   
   purchase of a house can take less time.   
   ·      Firearms businesses are closing because of the.legislation as it is   
   presently constituted. This is outrageous.   
   ·      The program still lacks the proper modules for Firearms Officers.   
   ·      It does not store information, and never will, back to the CFRS   
   system, which was supposed to be the case.   
   ·      The system is extremely slow (licence applications take seven   
   minutes on average each to open and approve).   
   ·      The computers are as slow now as at the outset of the program.   
   ·      The CFRS system is not user friendly. It is cumbersome and awkward.   
   It is slow and painful.   
   ·      This training had to be conducted throughout the province at a   
   substantial cost to the taxpayer.   
   ·      The question is why does Quebec have their own site at all!   
   ·      The implementation of the act should be halted, or funded and   
   staffed to appropriate levels.   
   ·      They all recognize a disastrously flawed piece of legislation, which   
   is a bureaucratic miasma.   
   The police association letter to the Solicitor General ended like   
   this, "It is never too late to correct a situation, provided the   
   political will exists." I couldn't have put it better myself,"   
   concluded Breitkreuz.   
      
   "Larry"  wrote in message   
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   > "klunk"  wrote in message   
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   >> "Alex Cunningham"  wrote in message   
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   >>> klunk"  wrote:   
   >>> LIES!!   
   >>>   
   >>> Alex Cunningham" wrote:   
   >>> Now where's your documented proof that the long gun registry is   
   >>> effective   
   >>> in solving crimes?   
   >>>   
   >>> "klunk"  wrote:  Now where's your documented   
   >>> proof   
   >>> that the long gun registry is NOT effective in solving crimes?   
   >>> "Alex Cunningham" wrote:   
   >   
   > It has been some time since I posted the cost/benifit artical and I   
   > intended to continue with more compelling facts about the ineffectiveness   
   > of the long gun registry, but I have been quite ill.   
   > I have been doing a lot of research on this matter, approaching the task   
   > with a proponant of registry mindset to be as unbiased and objective as I   
   > can, to find positive proof the registry aids in crime fighting and makes   
   > us safer. I spent hours reading articals and I also spent some time   
   > questioning local police...my x-brother-in-law had his own security   
   > business so he knows all the c ity cops, OPP and RCMP. What I learned,   
   > though, was what I summized and believed, still surprized me some hearing   
   > it right from the police.   
   > I could not find one definitive piece of evidence the registry does what   
   > Allan airhead Rock claimed it would do, make us safer. Nor did I find one   
   > cop that found the registry useful, or that was in support of keeping   
   > it...not ONE!   
   > What I did find, is a lot of law enforcement that say the CACP's   
   > supporting the registry are actually putting officers at risk and the   
   > money wasted would be better spent getting criminals off the street.   
   > Here's just a few of hundreds of responses by police that I read.   
   > How can you dispute evidence that registration doesn't work when it comes   
   > right from the people out there on the front line that are suppose to be   
   > "using it thousands of times a day"?   
   > If you think this is not enough evidence, I have hundreds more for you!   
   > Larry   
   >   
   > TORONTO POLICE CHIEF JULIAN FANTINO: Asked about the bamboozle of the   
   > federal gun-registry system, a billion-dollar fiasco, Fantino - who does   
   > not support the registry, unlike most police chiefs in Canada - noted that   
   > the system has not helped Toronto police solve a single homicide. "We have   
   > spent an extraordinary amount of money in this one area, but we haven't   
   > given the same attention with regards to gun crime in our society.''   
   > Source: Quote from The Toronto Star - "A shot fired across the bow of a   
   > smug Toronto"- Column by Rosie Dimanno - Page A02, March 10, 2004   
   >   
      
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