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   From: klunk@theothershoe.org   
      
   "klunk"  wrote in message   
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   > "Larry"  wrote in message   
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   >> "klunk"  wrote in message   
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   >>> "Larry"  wrote in message   
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   >>>>>actually your guns, along with all other guns are either actually used   
   >>>>>in commiting crimes or they can potentially become crime-enabling   
   >>>>>weapons... so, by tracking all guns, we (as a society - try not to   
   >>>>>forget we're all in this together) are more capable of managing a   
   >>>>>problem that is insanely out of control....   
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   >> Yes, you will be able to track my registered guns, but what about the   
   >> criminals that don't register theirs?  How is registration going to help   
   >> us? Why not put that money where it will do some good, getting criminals   
   >> and illegal guns off the street?   
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   > i am always intrigued by the circuitious nature of the discussions i have   
   > with loony-toon-gun-loons... and it seems because i've gone round the bend   
   > often enough that i'm spotting what seems to be the beginning of the   
   > circle before it starts into a whirlpool circling down a drain... i guess   
   > it does no good that your questions have been answered... you'll still ask   
   > them again... over and over and over and over and over again...   
   >   
   > what about the criminals who don't?... what about them?   
   > how will registration help you?...  by immediately clearing you of   
   > suspicion if your gun is suspected of involvement in foul play.   
   > why not put that money where it will do some good?... it already is.   
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   >> > I see... you support various costly initiatives to ensure safe and   
   >> > responsible firearms use yet you think only the registry is expensive   
   >> > and does nothing to deal with the growing problem of violent crime.....   
   >> > hmmmm.... AND you claim "objectivity".....?!?!?!?   
   >>   
   >> What costly initiatives? If by that you mean the idea of putting more   
   >> police on the streets, and making sure the real criminals actually get   
   >> punished, and getting guns out of hands that shouldn't have them, that   
   >> money would come from the millions wasted on this registry, that only   
   >> tells the cops what guns law abiding citizens have.   
   >> Plus, as I've said, everyone has to renew FAC every five years; without   
   >> an FAC, a person can't own or purchase a gun, nor purchase ammunition.   
   >> Thus, when the police go on a call, with a click of a mouse they will   
   >> know if firearms are at the residence because the FAC would show up. But,   
   >> if no FAC is on file for the person, and they illegally have guns, what   
   >> benefit then is the registry? None.   
   >> So, police know ahead of time if guns are suppose to be present on a call   
   >> because of the FAC, only licensed people can purchase/own guns and ammo;   
   >> even with the registry, there is no way for the police to know for sure   
   >> if guns will be involved on any call; criminals won't register guns   
   >> anyway; and the aforementioned safeguards are already in place so there's   
   >> no additional cost.   
   >   
   > so... some things are costly because you don't agree with them and others   
   > are not because you do....   
   >   
   >   
   >> All that money being wasted could get criminals and illegal guns off the   
   >> streets.   
   >> Should that not be our prime objective?   
   >   
   > of course, so you should stop wasting public time and money with your   
   > childish resistance and become a responsible citizen by offering up your   
   > assistance with this issue.   
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   >>>yes.... the same old crap... with no prooooooof, you say?   
   >>> hmmmmmmm..... i must be watching a different channel,   
   >>> 'cause the plotline on my soap has been the loony-toon-gun-loons   
   >>> crooning the same ol' tune... btw... when are you going to start calling   
   >>> me a liar?   
   >>> yes... you got off your ass to search for proof you say.... hmmmm....   
   >>> and what proof was that....?..... a couple of grumps grumbling....   
   >>> hmmmm.... members of the gun-loon-lobby, perhaps.... even retired   
   >>> policemen who didn't know the registry applied to them and that they   
   >>> probably wouldn't even know how to turn on their computer, much less   
   >>> understand complex mathematics utilized to determine criminal behaviour   
   >>> patterns...   
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   >> We haven't seen anything from you at all that proves registration works,   
   >   
   > actually... whether it is working or not has not been my argument... only   
   > whether it is a justifiable element within our crime-fighting   
   > repertoire... and none of you have EVER addressed this... nor have we seen   
   > any proof that registration does not work... only that it's expensive...   
   > considering how much we've just paid to bring Canadian refugees back from   
   > the mideast... which, btw... the CONs don't want ot admit how much actual   
   > $ were spent.... i'd say the registry is pretty damned cheap for what it   
   > does.   
   >   
   >   
   >> only the same old crap. You people said the police force is all in favour   
   >> of the registry, but have not backed that up. And when I produced   
   >> evidence that in fact, the very people you say support it, people who   
   >> know because they're out there on the front lines, don't support the   
   >> registry and you cry it's only a few retired incompetent cops.   
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   >   
   >> In an earlier post, I even posted a number of chiefs saying they have   
   >> changed their mind, and are no longer in favour of the registry because   
   >> it doesn't, nor will it ever work.   
   >> Well, here are some cops that aren't retired, or incompetent. They are   
   >> high rank, and/or seasoned officers.   
   >> Can you please post the proof you say you have, rather than just   
   >> resorting to name calling. You made the claim that cops, and especially   
   >> the chiefs, supported it, show me.   
   >> I particularly like this first one, chief telling his officer to not use   
   >> the registry, but also not speak out against it or he would be fired!!!!   
   >> WOW.   
   >>   
   >> SOURCE: MP Garry Breitkreuz's News Release dated December 15, 2005 - Name   
   >> withheld at the officer's request   
   >   
   >>TORONTO POLICE CHIEF JULIAN FANTINO: "In the most immediate sense, >   
   >>PRESIDENT OF THE CALGARY POLICE ASSOCIATION:   
   >> WINNIPEG POLICE ASSOCIATION: Loren Schinkel of the Winnipeg Police   
   >> CANADIAN CRIME VICTIM FOUNDATION: Joe Wamback, of the Canadian   
   >> A.B.J. (BEN) BEATTY: 23-YEAR VETERAN OF THE ONTARIO PROVINCIAL DENIS   
   >> COTE, PRESIDENT OF THE QUEBEC MUNICIPAL POLICE JOHN GAYDER, SERVING   
   >> POLICE OFFICER IN ONTARIO - LETTER TO 17-YEAR VETERAN OF THE YORK   
   >> REGIONAL POLICE FORCE: The streets   
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