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From: e@t.me
"Peter White" wrote in message
news:AuCXg.4700$cz.66619@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
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> Chom Noamsky wrote:
>> "Peter White" wrote in message
>> news:RLAXg.4629$cz.65903@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
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>>>
>>>Alan Baker wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article ,
>>>> ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Karen Gordon) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>"penny" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Who killed the electric car -- a crime of mammoth proportions with
>>>>>>>>>consequences for our environment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Electric cars produce zero emissions and therefore don't contribute
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>the global warming disaster. They were a key invention in
>>>>>>>>>dealing
>>>>>>>>>with global warming. Yet they have disappeared from the market
>>>>>>>>>place.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"pcourterelle" (someone@ms.com) writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>ABarlow and Chom have patiently explained why the electric car is
>>>>>>>>neither an environmentally friendly option for reducing green-house
>>>>>>>>gases as you claim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>(K): You're kidding. right? Usenet posters have become the
>>>>>>>definitive
>>>>>>>experts on the electric car and its viability? You must be a mighty
>>>>>>>confused little man if you're taking your direction from posters
>>>>>>>rather than
>>>>>>>the experts.
>>>>>>>Electric cars are one of the solutions to the problems of
>>>>>>>petrol-fuelled
>>>>>>>cars. Although they are only at a relatively embryonic stage in terms
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>market penetration, electric cars represent the most environmentally
>>>>>>>friendly vehicle fuel, as they have absolutely no emissions.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eric Schild (ericŪ@hardknocks.edu) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes - you just plug 'em in and the electricity from the Big
>>>>>>Electricity Man in the sky fuels 'em up
>>>>>
>>>>>(K): Silly boy ..... you probably believe in the 'man in the moon' and
>>>>>fairies with pixie dust, too.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can fuel automobiles with poisonous emission-producing gasoline and
>>>>>oil,
>>>>>or you can fuel it with electricity from hydro power and solar power.
>>>>>If you think the first is superior to the latter, I recommend you shut
>>>>>yourself
>>>>>in a garage with the former - and your opponents in a garage with the
>>>>>latter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You could, if hydro power and solar power were available in sufficient
>>>>quantity to provide the energy necessary to replace even a relatively
>>>>small fraction of our current motor vehicles with electrics.
>>>>
>>>>They're not. So, instead, you get marginal electrical generation having
>>>>to be increased: coal-fired plants, natural gas, etc.
>>>>
>>>>All you're doing is transferring the fossil fuel emissions from one
>>>>location to another.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This Baker is one pretentious mouth isn't he?
>>>I wonder where he expects the increased fuel economy of the hybrids comes
>>>from?
>>> He has no notion of the increased efficiency of an electric motor
>>> as compared to a mechanical motor, in fact the only motor he has
>>> familiarity with is his own motor mouth.
>>>The Toyota Prius, comparable with a Camery 4, has a mileage of about 48 -
>>>50 MPG.
>>> The only source of energy is the gasoline used to fire the Echo
>>> engine.
>>>Ah but I forget, he doesn't claim to be a technician, he claims to be an
>>>economist!
>>
>>
>> Sounds like you've been sold on the myth. I have yet to hear anyone who
>> has bought a hybrid that lived up to the manufacturer's hype. Lot of
>> owners have been complaining about huge discrepancies between the
>> manufacturer's mileage claims and reality. What Toyota did was throw a
>> lot of technology into their hybrid and they got a car with roughly the
>> same efficiency as a diesel... lol! The only real benefit to the design
>> is the recovery of kinetic energy during deceleration, which could also
>> be achieved with a flywheel inertial storage system for much less cost.
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> And what is your source of this information? I see a person I know well
> gas up and get 48-50 mpg (imp).
> And your fly wheel statement causes me to comment that YOUR fly is open!
> Or are you telling me that all the Toyota competitors merely have to
> install big flywheels in order to get Toyota's market share and they're
> too stupid to do that or maybe they don't have your sources
> You and your buddy Baker ought to get a job advising the auto
> manufacturers.
Better go study your Marketing 101. It's the green appeal that drives sales
and earns market share, the buzzwords 'hybrid' and 'electric' are terrific
marketing tools with the greens.
If Toyota were to come out with a flywheel-assisted conventional car, it
wouldn't appeal to the green folks because it's STILL 100%
combustion-powered. The movie stars and politicians wouldn't buy them, even
though they would be just as efficient and just as green as the current
hybrids.
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