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From: springpig@ns.sympatico.ca
Ah put a plug in it ...... You don't 'plug in' a Prius, unless you are
experimenting with one of those 'super batteries'.
JoeSP wrote:
> "Chom Noamsky" wrote in message
> news:IBBXg.14370$P7.14068@edtnps89...
>
>>"Peter White" wrote in message
>>news:RLAXg.4629$cz.65903@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>>
>>>
>>>Alan Baker wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article ,
>>>> ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Karen Gordon) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>"penny" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Who killed the electric car -- a crime of mammoth proportions with
>>>>>>>>>consequences for our environment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Electric cars produce zero emissions and therefore don't contribute
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>the global warming disaster. They were a key invention in dealing
>>>>>>>>>with global warming. Yet they have disappeared from the market
>>>>>>>>>place.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"pcourterelle" (someone@ms.com) writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>ABarlow and Chom have patiently explained why the electric car is
>>>>>>>>neither an environmentally friendly option for reducing green-house
>>>>>>>>gases as you claim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>(K): You're kidding. right? Usenet posters have become the definitive
>>>>>>>experts on the electric car and its viability? You must be a mighty
>>>>>>>confused little man if you're taking your direction from posters
>>>>>>>rather than
>>>>>>>the experts.
>>>>>>>Electric cars are one of the solutions to the problems of
>>>>>>>petrol-fuelled
>>>>>>>cars. Although they are only at a relatively embryonic stage in terms
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>market penetration, electric cars represent the most environmentally
>>>>>>>friendly vehicle fuel, as they have absolutely no emissions.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eric Schild (ericŪ@hardknocks.edu) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes - you just plug 'em in and the electricity from the Big Electricity
>>>>>>Man in the sky fuels 'em up
>>>>>
>>>>>(K): Silly boy ..... you probably believe in the 'man in the moon' and
>>>>>fairies with pixie dust, too.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can fuel automobiles with poisonous emission-producing gasoline and
>>>>>oil,
>>>>>or you can fuel it with electricity from hydro power and solar power.
>>>>>If you think the first is superior to the latter, I recommend you shut
>>>>>yourself
>>>>>in a garage with the former - and your opponents in a garage with the
>>>>>latter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You could, if hydro power and solar power were available in sufficient
>>>>quantity to provide the energy necessary to replace even a relatively
>>>>small fraction of our current motor vehicles with electrics.
>>>>
>>>>They're not. So, instead, you get marginal electrical generation having
>>>>to be increased: coal-fired plants, natural gas, etc.
>>>>
>>>>All you're doing is transferring the fossil fuel emissions from one
>>>>location to another.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This Baker is one pretentious mouth isn't he?
>>>I wonder where he expects the increased fuel economy of the hybrids comes
>>>from?
>>> He has no notion of the increased efficiency of an electric motor
>>>as compared to a mechanical motor, in fact the only motor he has
>>>familiarity with is his own motor mouth.
>>>The Toyota Prius, comparable with a Camery 4, has a mileage of about 48 -
>>>50 MPG.
>>> The only source of energy is the gasoline used to fire the Echo
>>>engine.
>>>Ah but I forget, he doesn't claim to be a technician, he claims to be an
>>>economist!
>>
>>Sounds like you've been sold on the myth. I have yet to hear anyone who
>>has bought a hybrid that lived up to the manufacturer's hype. Lot of
>>owners have been complaining about huge discrepancies between the
>>manufacturer's mileage claims and reality. What Toyota did was throw a
>>lot of technology into their hybrid and they got a car with roughly the
>>same efficiency as a diesel... lol! The only real benefit to the design
>>is the recovery of kinetic energy during deceleration, which could also be
>>achieved with a flywheel inertial storage system for much less cost.
>
>
> The mileage figures are correct if you make short trips and plug it in every
> night. In the real world, you are likely to spend more time unplugged and
> burning gasoline instead, therefore it's more like any regular car. You
> have to pay for the energy you consume.
>
>
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