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   =?iso-8859-15?Q?Eric=AE?= to Peter White   
   Re: Who Murdered the Electric Car?   
   13 Oct 06 21:18:05   
   
   XPost: can.politics, ont.politics, tor.general   
   XPost: bc.politics   
   From: ericŪ@hardknocks.edu   
      
   Peter White wrote . . .   
   >   
   >   
   > penny wrote:   
   > > On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:10:19 GMT, Peter White   
   > >  wrote:   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >>   
   > >>penny wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >>>On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:12:22 GMT, "Chom Noamsky"  wrote:   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>>"penny"  wrote in message   
   > >>>>news:jfrri21lgq6o808bei8844t1vqbjpadefa@4ax.com...   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>>Who killed the electric car --  a crime of mammoth proportions with   
   > >>>>>consequences for our environment.   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>>Electric cars produce zero emissions and therefore don't contribute to   
   > >>>>>the global warming disaster.   They were a  key invention in dealing   
   > >>>>>with  global warming.  Yet they have disappeared from the market   
   > >>>>>place.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>The economics are not there, manufacturers simply haven't been able to   
   > >>>>produce an all-electric car that will perform as well as one driven by a   
   > >>>>combustion engine.   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>>>Who killed the electric car especially since as well as being so   
   > >>>>>environmentally friendly it  was such a winner for consumers.   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>>That is a total myth unless all electricity comes from clean renewable   
   > >>>>sources like solar, wind, hydro, which it does not.  Most electricity   
   comes   
   > >>>   
   > >>>>from dirty old coal and nuclear sources, so all you're doing is changing   
   the   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>>source of pollution from the tailpipe to the generating plant.   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>True, but it's not necessarily a myth if you ratchet up your vision a   
   > >>>bit.   
   > >>>   
   > >>>The zero emission electric car is ideal and desperately needed  for   
   > >>>polluted cities .   
   > >>>   
   > >>>The  energy source  industry can be out in the sticks far away from   
   > >>>people while  the zero emissions car runs clean in cities.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> It's a way of cleaning up air pollution and cutting down on the   
   > >>>inordinate amount of respiratory health problems suffered by   
   > >>>many people living in cities. .Thousands of people across this country   
   > >>>die from a whole range of respiratory problems exacerbated by   
   > >>>pollution.   
   > >>>   
   > >>>As for global warming emissions, what is also needed is more money   
   > >>>spent on renewable energy by the head-in-the-sand  industries that   
   > >>>produce 50% of the fossil fuel emissions in Canada..  It should be   
   > >>>compulsory that they use at least  10% of their profits for renewables   
   > >>>research and development so that the energy for the zero emission cars   
   > >>>,etc., is a lot cleaner , etc. etc.   
   > >>>   
   > >>>It's just a question of ideological factors, vision, will, R&D   
   > >>> and  Money !!   And I shouldn't forget Motivation !   And the   
   > >>>motivation is the worsening global warming situation.   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>>>Since the electric car has no engine it saves the driver the cost of   
   > >>>>>replacing parts, motor oil, filters and spark plugs.   Wear and tear   
   > >>>>>of  braking systems are absolutely minimal.  Yet , the electric car is   
   > >>>>>dead. Automakers seem to have written it off.   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>>An electric motor has moving parts and is subject to mechanical wear and   
   > >>>>tear just like any other machine.  Also, the storage devices are complex   
   > >>>>electro-chemical devices that are expensive to maintain and replace.   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>An electric car is much simpler to look after.  It needs no gas, no   
   > >>>oil change, no muffler and minimal brake maintenance.  A typical   
   > >>>check-up would consist of topping up the windshield washer fluid and   
   > >>>rotating the tires. .   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>>>The answer to who killed the car  is obviously greed and the following   
   > >>>>>article will elaborate somewhat:   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>The answer is economic unviability has killed the electric car.  Until   
   some   
   > >>>>new technology for batteries comes along they will be more or less   
   > >>>>"semi-green toys."   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>Tesla Motors is the team of the future - named after the brilliant   
   > >>>Nikola Tesla.   
   > >>   
   > >>   
   > >>Why do I recoil at mention of that name?   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > Tell me !   
   >   
   >   
   > Sure tell  you and let 'the sparks fly'.   
      
   Penny: voted can.politics poster least likely to 'get' a joke.   
      
   Eric   
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