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   From: ceri@shawRemoveThis.ca   
      
   Fred first off I said I use US healthcare insurer instead of  Canadian. I   
   didn't say I use Blue Cross because I don't. I said if I need proper   
   coverage in alberta I have to get Blue Cross after I've paid for healthcare   
   through my federal taxes and provicial healthcare billing. The very fact I   
   should of paid for these items three times just to get what I currently pay   
   for once from a forgein country, pisses me off. I really don't give a rats   
   ass if they change the healthcare here as the public in Canada has proven   
   time and time again that they are retards with the actions they choose to   
   support and bullshit they take over and over with a smile to boot.  Canada's   
   identity in most western countries is a bunch of polite mindless sheep,   
   wether you agree or like it is beside the point as that is how we're veiwed   
   by others mostly   
     This healthcare thing is only one example of overtaxation for services   
   rendered. I'm sure the many people here could site thousands but I just used   
   one we all should know as we are forced to pay it, use it and feel   
   incomplete about it once used. It's the endless waste of tax dollars that   
   show one of the worst returns of any first world nations, that I don't like.   
   I personally am not taken it up the ass anymore. You however might like it   
   up the ass, but that's your choice. I know I'm not alone in finding better   
   more rewarding places to live with better quality of life, as thousands move   
   out every month from Canada because of those reason mostly. Not that they   
   will tell you about it. I'm not like some whiny Quebecor that keeps   
   demanding special treatment and uttering threats of seperation they are   
   pointless with the dictatorship we have here. I'm doing what I feel is right   
   for me and my family, as Canada refuses to offer what it did in the past   
   (continual cutbacks) and ask me to put more resources into it and live at a   
   lower level of quality than my counter parts elsewhere on the globe. If   
   that's you idea of happiness then have at her as substandard is your game.   
   The future is supposed to be better for each following generation but that   
   is not the case anymore here. My parents quality of life was at the peak of   
   Canada's levels the government still trys to claim today. Those days have   
   long long gone with no sight of returning anytime soon if ever. Most people   
   from those days could afford to live and still get things to enjoy life   
   with, like boats, RVs, cars, planes, post secondary education and loads of   
   other things that people in most other places can afford. All those US   
   people in nice RVs roaming around Canada along with boats, planes can afford   
   them yet nobody real can here. Things other than cars, housing food and   
   fixed bills is all most here can afford and sometimes not even that, which   
   is not quality in life but survival and is really sad.   
      
   "Fred"  wrote in message   
   news:459d9419$0$15011$8046368a@newsreader.iphouse.net...   
   > Ceri Thomas wrote:   
   >> Fact: a portion of my tax dollars go to healthcare weather I use it or   
   >> not. If that's not enough they want to bill me even further every month   
   >> for every member in family.   
   >   
   > Maybe you didn't realize it, but what you are paying for is health   
   > *INSURANCE*, not health care as such. Specifically, Canada has the single   
   > payer model of health insurance, the single payer being the provincial   
   > government, the payee being the health care provider.   
   >   
   >> The level of care in return is very very low barebones. If I want   
   >> adaquate care I have to spend yet even more money on private inssurance   
   >> (Blue Cross) that has to use crown hospitals and doctors I already paid   
   >> for twice.   
   >   
   > Here is what you said: "I use private US health care ... "   
   >   
   > It is now apparent to me that this is not true. What you have is Alberta   
   > Blue Cross, which is supplemental health insurance. That is a different   
   > bird entirely from the sort of Blue Cross coverage that one can get in the   
   > US, which is primary care insurance. Blue Cross Canada is forbidden by law   
   > from providing primary coverage. And should you happen, by some   
   > circumstance unknown to me, to have US health insurance, Canadian health   
   > care providers participating in the public system (virtually all) are   
   > forbidden from accepting payments for primary care from other than the   
   > single payer.   
   >   
   >> If I get something seriuosly ill with me, I don't feel very secure that I   
   >> won't die waiting to get care, even with all this Canadian healthcare I   
   >> fully paid for.   
   >   
   > It's called rationing. In Canada, health care is rationed on availability.   
   > In the US, by contrast, health care is rationed on price.   
   >   
   > But do not delude yourself. Health care in Canada is not going to change   
   > because the vast majority of Canadians do not want it to change. They do   
   > not want it to change because it is a large part of the Canadian identity.   
   >   
   > --   
   > "Just because you're smart doesn't mean you're wise."   
      
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