XPost: can.taxes, ont.politics   
   From: Some@Guy.com   
      
   David Smith wrote:   
      
   > > Can someone tell me why it wasn't good enough to put those   
   > > bottles at the curb for recycling?  Why was it necessary to   
   > > impliment a deposit system for them?   
   >   
   > Well according to the numbers 58% of the bottles are being   
   > returned   
      
   Returned - to the beer stores?   
      
   I bet most of those are from bars and restaurants.  I bet most people   
   are still putting them at the curb for recycling.   
      
   There's another angle to this, and it pertains to recycling.  There   
   are some municipalities that don't pick up recycling from commercial   
   addresses.  Which means it's a hassle for bars and restaurants to   
   participate in a recycling program, which could be why we now have   
   this stupid province-wide deposit on wine and liquor bottles.   
      
   I've never heard about any studies done by the province to show that   
   enough wine and liquor bottles were showing up at the landfill to   
   justify a deposit and collection program.   
      
   An alternative explanation is that recyclers don't want to collect   
   glass (not much comes in glass any more).   
      
   The really crazy thing about this is that at least with beer bottles,   
   the bottles get recycled (re-used) but the wine and liquor bottles   
   don't - so it makes no sense to have a deposit and collection progrm   
   for them.   
      
   > So does that mean the LCBO gets to keep the rest   
   > or do they pay up to the cities?   
      
   Keep the rest of what?  If 58% of the bottles are being returned to   
   the beer stores (which is where you're supposed to bring them - not   
   the LCBO) then what is the "rest" that you're talking about?  The   
   other 48% are being put out at the curb for recycling or trash.   
      
   > The cities are screwed again -they used to get the recycling$   
   > on the bottles and now lose 58% of that to the LCBO!!!!!   
      
   What do you think the BEER STORE (not the LCBO) does with those   
   bottles?  THEY SEND IT TO THE RECYCLERS.  What else are they gonna do   
   with them?   
      
   The cities are losing money on recycling.  Recycling does not pay for   
   itself.  The cities have contracts with the recyclers to drive around   
   an pick up the shit and pay them money.  The recyclers take the money   
   from the cities, plus what-ever they can sell the shit for once they   
   process it.   
      
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