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   > On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 2:48:33 PM UTC-6, pølit...@nyb.com wrote:   
   >> Uh, Roy . . .  the tax is being put on those who emit it into our   
   atmosphere. .   
   >> .  IOW the oil industry and the gas industry.   
   >> Now does it look a little more reasonable?   
      
   On 24/04/2015 3:28 PM, Roy wrote:   
   > Perhaps, but when they tax a consumable like gasoline which a great number   
   of people HAVE to use every day it becomes onerous.   
   > A proposed tax on plastic bags in grocery stores...there is no other   
   > practical way to get three or four hundred dollars worth of groceries   
   > home without using them.   
      
   Look, time and again any 'environmental concerns' were passed onto *consumers*   
   to deal with.  The plastic bag issue is just one of them.   
   The onus - and that could only have been done by governments - should have been   
   put onto the *producers* of those plastic bags to make them degradable.   
      
   Same with tin cans, and plastic containers . . .   the onus shouldn't be on   
   consumers to wash them, bend them, recycle them in newly-purchased plastic bins   
   . . .   
   It should always have been on the *companies* that were producing those   
   containers to find a different system of getting their product from their   
   factories to the consumers.   
      
   Why always the shift from the actual makers of the environmentally-unfriendly   
   containers to the consumers?  Because governments are afraid of burdening   
   corporations with any kind of responsibility that might just make them 'break   
   and run' for another jurisdiction/country where such requirements don't exist.   
   We, the consumers, end up paying so that corporations don't have to.   
      
   > Carbon taxes on citizens is what is being proposed by various political   
   > parties...one hears this constantly.   
      
   That would make dumb-dumbs like Dobranski, Wakefield, Baker and other numbnuts   
   here to think twice before buying larger-than-needed vehicles - and maybe even   
   3 or 4 of them.  There are ways to punish the stupid without taking it out on   
   the entire population.  Carbon taxes on big vehicles and those with more than   
   one vehicle are a good idea.   
      
   > Carbon in the form of carbon dioxide may not be the big bugaboo either...   
   > this earth of ours can absorb much more with little harmful effect.   
      
   Now you're smokin' something, Roy . . .   
      
   > It has done so in the distant past and has been shown to be cyclical in   
   > nature without human intervention.   
      
   Bullshit.  We've never had it so bad for such large populations right across   
   the globe.  We're headed into major wars over water and food and shelter.   
   Never in history have we had so much to lose.  Ask the remaining 50% of the   
   animals we have left on this planet.   
      
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