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|    'Niqab controversy' - a baloney issue fo    |
|    27 Sep 15 14:23:00    |
      From: brewnoser2@gmail.com              Why?              1. Because the courts have already ruled on the issue. If Harper wants to       take it to the Supreme Court, he has to be re-elected first. Good luck on       that one, Harper . . .              2. The Quebec Charter of Values, which included the banning of wearing       crossed or hijabs in the workplace, was the reason for the fall of the PQ       under Pauline Marois, and the rise of the provincial Liberals under Philippe       Couillard.              3. If Harper's appeal to the Supreme Court fails and it supports the federal       court, in allowing the niqab to be worn for oath taking and other ceremonies,       the issue is a dead one for ANY party . . . PQ, Liberals, NDP or the Cons.              Here's the 'baloney meter' on the issue:       _____________________________________________              Baloney Meter: How meaningful is the Bloc's promise to ban veiled voting, oath       taking?              Duceppe:       "The first bill the Bloc Quebecois will introduce is forbidding voting wearing       a face covering, oath of citizenship or granting (public) services with a face       covering." Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe said in Thursday's televised leaders'       debate.              Harper has vowed, if re-elected, to introduce a law that would ban newcomers       from taking the oath of citizenship with their faces covered.               Harper:       His government is already seeking leave to appeal to the Supreme Court a       ruling that struck down a ministerial directive requiring new citizens to show       their faces       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^       while taking the oath.       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^              The Facts:              Since the Bloc is running candidates only in Quebec, it can't form a       government. Thus, the only way the Bloc could introduce legislation is through       a private members' bill.              Duceppe's proposed bill might stand a better chance of success if the       Conservatives are re-elected, since they've demonstrated a similar desire to       ban face coverings, at least during citizenship ceremonies and while voting.              But even should a Bloc bill pass Parliament, it would likely wind up being       challenged as a violation of the Charter of Rights, which guarantees freedom       of religion and equality before and under the law.              The Experts              Constitutional law experts believe banning women from wearing veils while       taking the citizenship oath or providing public services would almost       certainly be struck down by the courts as a violation of religious freedom and       equality rights.              Ottawa University constitutional law professor Errol Mendes concurs: "If they       didn't use the notwithstanding clause, it would almost certainly be struck       down."              But here's the tricky bit: the notwithstanding clause can be used to override       only some provisions in the Charter of Rights, including religious freedom and       equality rights.              It cannot be used to override democratic rights, including the right to vote.       Since Duceppe's promised bill would include a ban on veiled voting, he could       find the notwithstanding clause would be of no use to him.              The Verdict              Strictly speaking, Duceppe's promise to introduce a bill banning face       coverings during voting, citizenship ceremonies and the provision of public       services is accurate. He didn't explicitly say it would be passed or enacted,       although that was the obvious        implication.              Given the procedural hurdles facing private members' bills, it's debatable       whether such a bill would ever see the light of day.               Were it to be passed, it's equally debatable whether it would stand up to a       charter challenge or whether the government could invoke the notwithstanding       clause to get around the charter.              For these reasons, Duceppe's statement earns a rating of "some baloney."              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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